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Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by maverick-iceman »

pram wrote: post #19
vmception wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be meta contrarian but I think everyone understands his pattern of arrogance got the best of him with that fruit based diet from a nutritionist scam. The people that deify him mostly forget that actually running a company like him means requiring a bailout from your primary competitor, which means failure. edit: ok he wasn't there during that time period. A better example would be other areas of arrogance and…

He wasn't even at Apple for the entire decade preceding that bailout. People probably 'forgot' because it's not true at all!

> He wasn't even at Apple for the entire decade preceding that bailout. People probably 'forgot' because it's not true at all!

Because he ran the company into the ground before and the board fired him

Also people are right when they claim that Jobs rise to fame wouldn't have happened without the DOJ going after Microsoft because the powers that be were disturbed by Gates 160B wealth back in 1999.

If the DOJ didn't go after Microsoft we now wouldn't have a 1400$ phone which you can't recharge while listening to music...Thank you Bill Clinton's DOJ!

United States of Microsoft would have been a really cool place to live considering they are the only company which engineered wealth redistribution as a service. By not pursuing individual user piracy they found a way to have Fortune 500 companies subsidize the kids and the geeks of this world who know where to find cracked Windows and Office.

EDIT: I will delete this comment when it reaches -5 score. Don't want to be shadowbanned, but the cult hivemind in here around people like Musk and Jobs is insufferable

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by techrat »

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

Not only was the cancer he had easily treatable had he done what he needed to do when it was first discovered...

He also bought his way onto the top of a transplant list by buying a home in Tennessee... despite also knowing by this point that his cancer would be terminal and proper treatment would be too late.

It doesn't take much to see how Jobs was truly an astounding piece of shit.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

fhsm wrote: post #17
nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

I have heard variations on this many times but never a definitive expert assertion of its truth rooted in confirmed facts. Did he forego cure, or was he merely quirky and uncured as two independent truths? A bit of searching did not bring me complete clarity. - https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-j... - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4924574/ - https://www.livescience.com/16551-st…

According to his biography, he did initially try to cure his cancer by going fruitarian. Obviously, the cancer got worse instead of better, and he ended up needing a transplant. I suspect (and I have nothing to go off of other than his biography) that he didn't actually completely expect the fruit diet to work, and may have simply believed that if it was his time to go, it was his time to go, but his wife may have eventually talked some sense into him.

In America, normal humans can only be on a transplant list for their home state, but a few states also accept out-of-state folks who can travel to the state within X hours. This was obviously designed for people who live right on the border in a neighboring state, but Jobs was able to use his private jet to argue that he should be on the transplant lists for basically every state that accepts out-of-state people.

The main point is that it's possible he took an organ from someone in TN, because he himself let his own cancer progress beyond the point of salvaging the organ.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by ec109685 »

Too bad he couldn’t have gotten his tour guide and friend in too:

> When they returned, an interpreter was waiting for Jobs. Oshima waited outside in the car.

> "When he came back out an hour later, he told me: 'I would like to have a garden like that.'"

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

I'm no fan of Jobs. I think he achieved some notable but transient things, but I also think he was an egotist who treated many people badly.

> he died an ignorant death at his own hand

But I wonder why you say something so unkind? Is it not possible that he was, in the end, simply afraid and not able to fully face up to his mortality?

As for him possessing philosophical insight, I think that is more likely to be something attributed to him by those who (as you put it) deify him.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by dlvktrsh »

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

why is it comical though? that man achieved a lot in his life and died on his own terms

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by dEnigma »

thom wrote: post #29

Fixed that for you: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ry%C5%8Dan-ji/@35.0343654,...

I was also thinking about a drone view or simply scaling the walls or trees nearby to try to get a full view of all 15 stones. Unfortunately the Google Maps image is quite low resolution and I can't achieve enlightenment.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by GuB-42 »

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

I may be wrong but I don't think that HN deifies Steve Jobs. He has a reputation as a visionary but also as an asshole. He also is the anti-hacker and this is a website with "hacker" in its name. Apple makes perfect products, don't dare touch anything was the name of the game.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by fundad »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #36
nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

I'm no fan of Jobs. I think he achieved some notable but transient things, but I also think he was an egotist who treated many people badly. > he died an ignorant death at his own hand But I wonder why you say something so unkind? Is it not possible that he was, in the end, simply afraid and not able to fully face up to his mortality? As for him possessing philosophical insight, I think that is more likely to be some…

We deify any rich asshole who says anything, see also Musk, Trump, Reagan…
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