Steve Jobs in Kyoto • Hacker News Board

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#11

Post by nimbius » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words."

This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fruit would fix the problem.

The idea that Jobs had any deep philosophical ponderance of the human condition or introspection on his own mortality is comical.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#12

Post by vmception » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:11 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

Not to be meta contrarian but I think everyone understands his pattern of arrogance got the best of him with that fruit based diet from a nutritionist scam.

The people that deify him mostly forget that actually running a company like him means requiring a bailout from your primary competitor, which means failure. edit: ok he wasn't there during that time period. A better example would be other areas of arrogance and not uplifting behavior.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#13

Post by mlyle » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:14 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

> The idea that Jobs had any deep philosophical ponderance of the human condition or introspection on his own mortality is comical.

He was diagnosed with cancer in 2003 and goofed off avoiding treatment for several months.

This visit was in 2010, years later, after knowing his cancer was probably terminal for quite some time. I think 7 years of thinking about it, including writing about how not properly treating his cancer early was a grave mistake, might be enough to give one some "introspection on [his] own mortality".

Your sniping comment does not make much sense.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#14

Post by AbrahamParangi » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

Curable is a bit of a stretch. More like "possibly not a death sentence, unlike other pancreatic cancers"

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by sedatk » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

carlosdp wrote: post #4

zerop wrote: post #2

Jobs was vegan, is that right?

He was actually fruititarian, for most of his life.

He had a favorite sushi place in Palo Alto. Maybe a pescaterian?

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#16

Post by objclxt » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:18 PM UTC

zerop wrote: post #2

Jobs was vegan, is that right?

For the most part, but had a soft spot for sushi. I used to work in Infinite Loop and remember when Steve’s favourite sushi restaurant closed so the chef was hired to work in the canteen instead.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#17

Post by fhsm » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:19 PM UTC

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

I have heard variations on this many times but never a definitive expert assertion of its truth rooted in confirmed facts. Did he forego cure, or was he merely quirky and uncured as two independent truths?

A bit of searching did not bring me complete clarity.

- https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-j...

- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4924574/

- https://www.livescience.com/16551-steve-jobs-alternative-med...

The undisputed fact of his liver transplant in TN suggests a sophisticated deployment of his considerable means to me. Given this it seems to me that he may have been as described above at the time of diagnosis but he probably was not by the time of transplantation.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#18

Post by mlyle » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:20 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #12

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

Not to be meta contrarian but I think everyone understands his pattern of arrogance got the best of him with that fruit based diet from a nutritionist scam. The people that deify him mostly forget that actually running a company like him means requiring a bailout from your primary competitor, which means failure. edit: ok he wasn't there during that time period. A better example would be other areas of arrogance and…

> The people that deify him mostly forget that actually running a company like him means requiring a bailout from your primary competitor, which means failure.

There's plenty to criticize Jobs for, but this one doesn't make sense to me. Gates bailed out Apple in August 1997.

Jobs departed Apple in 1985 and returned when the NeXT acquisition in February 1997.

Do you think that the reason Apple sorely needed capital was primarily down to Jobs' decisions between February and August? Or was it some critical misstep in 1983-1984 manifesting 13 years later?

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#19

Post by pram » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #12

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

Not to be meta contrarian but I think everyone understands his pattern of arrogance got the best of him with that fruit based diet from a nutritionist scam. The people that deify him mostly forget that actually running a company like him means requiring a bailout from your primary competitor, which means failure. edit: ok he wasn't there during that time period. A better example would be other areas of arrogance and…

He wasn't even at Apple for the entire decade preceding that bailout. People probably 'forgot' because it's not true at all!

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

mlyle wrote: post #13

nimbius wrote: post #11

>He might have been aware of when his life would end, since he passed away just one year later," says Ohnishi. "Maybe that's why he chose not to write the whole sentence, and only the first three words." This isnt a popular opinion since HN (and media) tends to deify Jobs, but people forget he died an ignorant death at his own hand. Jobs was diagnosed with a curable cancer and against all reason, he decided eating fr…

> The idea that Jobs had any deep philosophical ponderance of the human condition or introspection on his own mortality is comical. He was diagnosed with cancer in 2003 and goofed off avoiding treatment for several months. This visit was in 2010, years later, after knowing his cancer was probably terminal for quite some time. I think 7 years of thinking about it, including writing about how not properly treating his…

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