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Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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I don't think the bedrock is the problem, it's the layer of limestone above it - that's what everything in the state actually sits on.

I'm not an expert at this, but I did grow up in Florida. I'm pretty certain the bedrock is limestone. It's a Karst landscape.

Below the limestone karst, there's a solid bedrock structure that extends out into gulf - the Florida Platform.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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North Miami Beach commissioner Fortuna Smukler ... said authorities were working to help the evacuated residents find places to go. There may not be anywhere for them to go. Right now, FL rental ads are getting 400 applicants per day per property - and there aren't many new ads. source: I'm a FL renter whose rental is being sold.

Is this everywhere in FL? Or just Miami? I used to live in WPB about 4 years ago. It wasn't that bad to find a rental at the time

Nationally, it may be worst of all from Tampa/Orlando, south to Miami. However, it's a problem all over the US, even in midrange cities like Bozeman and Chattanooga.

>I used to live in WPB about 4 years ago. It wasn't that bad to find a rental at the time

The rental shortage just started this year. As bad as it is, I see it getting much worse as eviction moratoriums expire.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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North Miami Beach commissioner Fortuna Smukler ... said authorities were working to help the evacuated residents find places to go. There may not be anywhere for them to go. Right now, FL rental ads are getting 400 applicants per day per property - and there aren't many new ads. source: I'm a FL renter whose rental is being sold.

The Washington Post article in this talks about them contacting homeless shelters. > The city is working with Red Cross and a local homelessness organization to house those unable to find other shelter. > She said the 156-unit complex was occupied primarily by Latino residents, some of whom were very elderly. “They’re crying, they’re afraid for their future, afraid about what to do with the furniture,” she said. http…

Rental owners are cashing in and selling. Even people with a bit of cash in the bank will have to compete with hundreds of other applicants.

My guess is that officials will find shelters full up, as this has been in play for a number of months now. At least the rental crisis will finally show up on someone's radar - not that they'll have any power to help.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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This is exactly what happened with Champlain Towers. After that assessment, they got a repair estimate and then the board and residents argued with each other about the price of fixing it for 3 years... all the way up to the moment it collapsed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/majority-of-fl...

Without opening story...why would residents have anything to do with paying for maintaining the building they're a customer of?

As another person mentioned, because the condo owners are all collectively responsible for the maintenance. I currently serve as the president of an HOA.

We've needed new roofs for years. We got bids, but by the time that the HOA could meet, the bids already were too old. We voted to charge everyone based off the cost of the bids + 10%. We had owners that didn't pay or owners that paid too late. Our bids expired again and then we had some safety issues that we had to handle. So now we didn't have enough money for the roofs again, but likewise people wanted other stuff done.

It took nearly 5 years for us to finally get new roofs. Covid happened and prices went up again, but thankfully we had enough to cover stuff. Actually, only some of the roofs are currently done. 6 buildings: 3 done/3 not. <50 units total. I cannot imagine how much more complicated it would be with a bunch of units.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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North Miami Beach commissioner Fortuna Smukler ... said authorities were working to help the evacuated residents find places to go. There may not be anywhere for them to go. Right now, FL rental ads are getting 400 applicants per day per property - and there aren't many new ads. source: I'm a FL renter whose rental is being sold.

Sounds like work-from-home readjustment... I wonder how the "overpriced cities" will readjust. Will everyone just move back, or will new employees take over? Must be a good time to be a real estate agent.

You're right. For some unfathomable reason, Central to South Florida looked especially appealing for work-from-homers. Even homes for sale are getting immediate offers way above listing.

> Must be a good time to be a real estate agent.

Yes and no. They're facing the same shortages as everyone else.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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The geology of Florida is terrifying. I’ve been reading about how a building like this could collapse, and I came across this interesting phrase, “sink hole alley” The area between Tampa and Orlando. The bed rock is so unstable that sinkholes have become ubiquitous.

Confirmed, as someone living in “sink hole alley”. Also look up the sink hole of Epcot and what Disney engineers did to solve that. No one thinks of it when they visit Epcot but it’s there, under their nose, the whole time. [1] [1]: https://insidethemagic.net/2021/06/disney-world-massive-sink...

Here as well. Fortunately, there's been less subsidence since the rains started falling again, about a decade or so back.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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I live in Minneapolis. Back in 2007 the I-35W bridge collapsed, killing 13 people. Engineers had previously reported that the bridge had structural problems. And once the collapse became national headlines news, bridges nationwide were given special attention. It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

This is a bit of a strawman. People do care about structural safety. There is an entire industry of professional engineers and building inspectors.

You don't know what you don't know. And disasters happen. After Hurricane Andrew, we learned from studying what broke, and made major improvements to building codes. Same thing will happen here.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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I live in Minneapolis. Back in 2007 the I-35W bridge collapsed, killing 13 people. Engineers had previously reported that the bridge had structural problems. And once the collapse became national headlines news, bridges nationwide were given special attention. It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

This is a bit of a strawman. People do care about structural safety. There is an entire industry of professional engineers and building inspectors. You don't know what you don't know. And disasters happen. After Hurricane Andrew, we learned from studying what broke, and made major improvements to building codes. Same thing will happen here.

Sounds like you missed the news from last week:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_building_...

That building was reported under the same safety industry and regulations, and nothing was done. We know intellectually, just as before, what happens to buildings with structural failures: they collapse. The difference is that we quickly forget the emotional or cultural awareness of the problem, and only care about these issues for as long as that news cycle lasts.

Re: Miami orders evacuation of 156-unit as structurally and electrically unsafe

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I live in Minneapolis. Back in 2007 the I-35W bridge collapsed, killing 13 people. Engineers had previously reported that the bridge had structural problems. And once the collapse became national headlines news, bridges nationwide were given special attention. It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

> It shouldn't take horrific accidents for us to suddenly decide to care about structural safety.

Building codes are written in blood, as they have always been.

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