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Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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This is exactly how I feel. I thought Jim would make IBM more like redhat but in reality redhat became more like IBM.

That really shouldn't have been a surprise to anybody, certainly no one who has been through a corporate merger before. The aquiring company always makes promises they won't change the aquired company, the aquired company's management parrots that line and in the end, the aquired company always gets subsumed into the aquiring company.

Boeing bought Mcdonnell and was subsequently taken over by MD profits over safety culture.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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> which means nothing ?? In 1997, IBM Deep Blue beat chess Grandmaster Gary Kasparov and made international news. IBM sponsored the Olympic Games for 40 years, they sponsored the 1995 Wimbledon tennis tournament, the ATP Tour, the US Open, French Open, Australian Open tennis tournaments, the Masters golf tournament, baseball games, auto racing, college football. Dave Bowman wore an IBM logo on his spacesuit in 2001 A…

what I see is a lot of people thinking their bubble is relevant for the public at large, even discounting the rampant americentrism

IBM appears on this list of most iconic logos of all time above the Nike swoosh or FedEx logo. - https://www.crowdspring.com/blog/most-iconic-brand-logos-all...

IBM had adverts on ordinary TV, like a $40M campaign for adverts with the M A S H actors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbH50T9jxVI

System to help children with speech impediments - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTKocB22aH4

Speech recognition system, 1986 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNGO5ppfQ8

Olympic Fencing commercial, 1996 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJznrbLZoTE

PS/1 advert, 1990 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aam5VgLX9ys

Pink Panther themed 486 advert - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS095Os84-I

Netherlands PC ad, 1990 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g0VwEgRzTQ

French advert - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OyZWQUewfQ

etc. etc.

To have not heard of them at all whatsoever in the 1990s you don't need to be outside a business, you need to be under a rock, basically never see a TV, newspaper, hear a radio news broadcast, watch a sporting event with sponsor logos, visit any city with billboards, or be tangential to any of their hundreds of thousands of employees, none of your parents or your friends parents working for them, or anything. It really isn't like "can you name the senior vice presidents of CK Prahalad's management consultancy". It's more like "yeah of course teens haven't heard of Ford or FedEx, they don't buy pickup trucks and aren't logistics specialists".

> "discounting the rampant americentrism"

I'm not American. But if your position is reduced to "a North Korean farmer's child wouldn't have heard of them", then it's not a very strong position.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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probably not. IBM haven't been that much relevant in tech for years. they pivot to the cut throat consulting services while kind of abandoned what IBM used to be. a tech leader. Microsoft was like IBM after Bill Gates. Not a tech leader for many years until Microsoft pivot to Cloud computing and software as services.

google "IBM phoenix payroll canada" for a fine example of what has gone wrong. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ibm+pho...

I don't know what's with payroll management software (low-hanging government contracts ? Inter-agency factionalism ?) but every time I hear about a nationwide software-inflicted catastrophe somewhere, it's one of those.

In France we've had to deal with LOUVOIS, the payroll software for all the armed branches, being an unending train wreck. There were quite a few families of deployed soldiers who had to deal with near-bankruptcy because of it.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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Even for me as a millennial, IBM is something of a history note. Yes, I know them from computing history lectures, and I liked their ThinkPads (but they sold that to Lenovo when I was in high school). I have only directly interacted with IBM product once, and that was Lotus Notes in one corporation I worked as a tech support in university years. And it was horrible. At university, I thought of IBM as "they do things…

Notes interface was crap but it did have some interesting tech. Also it was bought, not originated at ibm. They could have fixed it I suppose.

Not really. Lotus Notes was an MS-Access system that would attempt to do database synchronization between a server copy of the database and the local client. It was built in an age where road warriors were expected to take their laptops with them, be able to enter sales data, then have that automatically merged on return to the office. In a dial up age and before wifi, this gave unprecedented tools to those who needed to work away from their desks.

The problem was that it has serious scaling issues, and when you move mail to it (and remember it has to do the synchronisation step when you return) it can bog down both the server And the client. It was far less efficient than, say, pop and imap.

IBM took a bet that they could make Notes scale to the entire org in the mid-to-late ‘90s, and it took many years to get there and much pain along the way.

Any large and crufty system can start to have problems as they grow older but “fixing notes” wasn't a programming issue but a design one.

In todays terminology, it would be the equivalent of a replicated/distributed MongoDB with the designated “master” on the server, with a cached full copy of that database on your laptop (which isn't permanently connected), while allowing writes in both partitions (ie sacrificing consistency for availability) and then hoping when you connect it back up again that it can figure out the bidirectional sync and resolve any conflicts that occur.

And then on top of that build a mail client which stores one mail message per row (including all attachments) along with status bits (read, important, replied etc) and hope to heck it all works.

Lotus Notes “synchronization” was the step you did after docking your thinkpad just before going to get your first coffee of the day, because hopefully the latency would be hidden by the brewing time.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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This is why I'm in favor of founder controlled shares (Founder's Fund companies tend to do this - Zuckerberg at FB). Founder's retain total voting control of the company and can do what they think is in the best interest of the company. The board can complain and vote against it in favor of stupid short-term decisions that harm in the company, but in the end Zuck can tell them to fuck off and buy instagram because he…

While I don't completely disagree, a Benevolent (or not) Dictator For Life can have it's own set of problems. And I'd not that it's generally not considered a great governance model for large open source projects--though that's obviously a somewhat different situation.

> And I'd [note?] that it's generally not considered a great governance model for large open source projects

Citation needed? Offhand, it's worked great for linux, and while perl and python have had some infamous problems, they don't seem particularly specific to the BDFL model, and they seemed to work well before that.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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I was an intern at IBM from 2010-2015, and then an full time engineer for a short while before moving on. I agree completely that the change in leadership marked an inability to really bring WATSON to market, and some other products too. While I was an intern, I sat next to ExtremeBlue interns and team members working on Watson. The technology was awesome and they were working like mad. Sleeping under the desk. By 20…

"I agree completely that the change in leadership marked an inability to really bring WATSON to market, and some other products too." Watson for all it's academic glory, was kind of vapourware as a product. It just never really did anything materially useful. They did a lot of hospital trials that fizzled. Way, way over-promised. A little bit along the lines of ElementAI - it's hard to commercialized AI directly. Goo…

Interesting perspective. They were advertising WATSON everywhere and it did seem like they wanted it to be big. I worked for rational doing... less savoury stuff but it did pay the bills!

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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> garbage For sensitive issues, it's hard to imagine this will lead to a constructive, curious conversation. It would be interesting, for example, if you and the GP tried to examine why you have such different experiences? Maybe you were in different places, working for different people, and saw different things? Maybe different job descriptions? The world is always much bigger than what we imagine.

This is not a "sensitive" issue, unless you consider GP's opinion "sensitive". I don't. I also don't think it would lead to a curious, constructive conversation. There is probably nothing OP could offer which would change what the experience of 8 years in RH engineering showed me. At best, it would lead to another long reply where I tried to explain what RH was actually like versus GP's impression. It's essentially G…

Where are the people fleeing RH going to go? There are not many workplaces as large and as Free Software focussed as RH.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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As an IBMer at the time, I remember having conversations about how that decision would ultimately doom IBM to irrelevance since it would remove IBM entirely from the consumer market...

Don’t forget they sold the tiny HDD division to Hitachi (I believe) in like 1999 or 2000, which went on to earn billions from the iPod. Not a lot of good business decisions coming out of IBM.

But... one sometimes has to ask -whether- it would have happened if they didn't sell it off.

I feel like any deal involving IBM at that level would involve some absurd amount of bureaucracy, even back then.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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IBM portfolio isn't targeted to consumers like Apple's or other companies, even at peak IBM it was an office name, not a household name. The only consumer facing product they had for the longest time were cash registers, and those aren't particularly hip as to live in consumer imagination Edit: in today episode, hacker news forget they're a niche cohort.

As far as I'm concerned, the term "PC" comes from the "IBM PC"[1] > " The PC was IBM's first attempt to sell a computer through retail channels [...] they partnered with the retail chains ComputerLand and Sears Roebuck " > " Reception was overwhelmingly positive [...] the IBM PC immediately became the talk of the entire computing industry.[38] Dealers were overwhelmed with orders [...] By the time the machine was shi…

Iphone is a fraction of the price, among other reasons.

Re: Jim Whitehurst to step down as IBM President

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> garbage For sensitive issues, it's hard to imagine this will lead to a constructive, curious conversation. It would be interesting, for example, if you and the GP tried to examine why you have such different experiences? Maybe you were in different places, working for different people, and saw different things? Maybe different job descriptions? The world is always much bigger than what we imagine.

This is not a "sensitive" issue, unless you consider GP's opinion "sensitive". I don't. I also don't think it would lead to a curious, constructive conversation. There is probably nothing OP could offer which would change what the experience of 8 years in RH engineering showed me. At best, it would lead to another long reply where I tried to explain what RH was actually like versus GP's impression. It's essentially G…

> I also don't think it would lead to a curious, constructive conversation. There is probably nothing OP could offer which would change what the experience of 8 years in RH engineering showed me.

To me, the intentional insistence that you want to and will remain ignorant undermines the credibility of the rest of the comment. Who knows what else have you shut your mind to and thus overlooked at RH.

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