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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Please don't take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar hell. We ban accounts that do that.

We also ban accounts that use HN primarily for ideological battle, regardless of which ideology they favor or disfavor. Comments like this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27711098 are not cool. No more of this please.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27710534.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Women were well represented in the early days of computing. The gender imbalance only started in about 1984. Some researchers think that was because home computers started to become affordable at about that time and were mainly marketed to men. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when...

Women are also currently well-represented in computing in Eastern Europe, Iran, China, and somewhat in Russia. None of these regions particularly care about "women in tech", and most of them are certifiably more patriarchal than any of the Western countries currently suffering from under-representation of women. One can conclude from facts on the ground that neither gender equality nor pro-diversity movements correla…

>Eastern Europe >None of these regions particularly care about "women in tech"

there are initiatives of promoting IT among women in Poland, afaik.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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I thought making everyone cartoon yellow was more empowering. Especially on the Internet, with pseudonymity, we're all nothing more than the ideas we present. An egalitarian dream was twisted into a woke nightmare for bad actors to earn free PR by pitting people against each other.

My theory is that we're all red. Peel back the skin layer of any living human being, and red is what you'll see.

If you say that to a person who insists on taking offense, he would tell you that a white person using red icons might be offensive to Native Americans or people with albinism.

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I see this criticism of CRT/wokeism etc very often and I really want to address a point about people talking past each other. Proponents of CRT don't say they want to divide people based on group characteristics, they say people are divided based on group characteristics and they recognise that whilst individualists deny what is evidently true. Essentially it's the position that people are negatively impacted due to…

I'm not a fan of CRT, but you're 100% right. The issue with CRT is that every other theory and research of this subject (eg. IQ differences) has been shut down or obscured due to allegations of racism or fear of how society would react to such knowledge. And that poses a problem. You can't even propose any alternative theory in the current climate. Second, the same criticism applies to CRT. There is a double standard…

Your account has been using HN primarily for ideological and political battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of which ideology or politics they're battling for, because it destroys this place for its intended purpose.

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I had to scroll through dozens of your comments to find even one that didn't fit this description. That's clearly over the line, so I've banned this account.

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The message is clear then, avoid all conversations about this very topic at your work place and let the chips fall where they may.

I completely agree. But there was hypocrisy: Google allowed (maybe still does) conversation on that topic -- but the views he had on that topic didn't agree with the narrative that was/is popular. Those chips fell quite unfairly.

The common theme I see is that people keep thinking they are comfortable on Google’s message boards when they should just ignore it for their duration at Google

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Women were well represented in the early days of computing. The gender imbalance only started in about 1984. Some researchers think that was because home computers started to become affordable at about that time and were mainly marketed to men. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when...

Women are also currently well-represented in computing in Eastern Europe, Iran, China, and somewhat in Russia. None of these regions particularly care about "women in tech", and most of them are certifiably more patriarchal than any of the Western countries currently suffering from under-representation of women. One can conclude from facts on the ground that neither gender equality nor pro-diversity movements correla…

> We're not serious about tackling the problem. We are, however, quite good at grifting off the problem with proposals we know don't work.

Could it be that women tend to care about stuff like a healthy work-life balance, and things like the 996.ICU working week can discourage them from applying? Whoops no, we've been told that's sexist wrongthink.

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Unpopular opinion… Could it be that women (in general) want something more in life than working in a big company for a nice wage? Study after study after study show that women want families and other things other than the standard mega corporation employment that society has trained us to expect. I’d bet if one looked at the numbers one would see that women as a whole are leaving google and other companies just as mu…

Yes, women would hate working at a big company with a great salary, great family leave benefits, flexibility to work from home, and flexibility on when to start their day. They'd much rather work in female dominated professions like teaching, retail, and hospitality where there is no flexibility to work from home, no flexibility on when to start their day, lower salaries, and fewer family leave benefits. sarcasm

Teaching is an interesting case, you have the opposite there, where male teachers are not looked upon favorably.

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Everyone may be created equal, but they are not treated equally as they grow up, making them unequal as adults.

You both seem to agree on that. You are only disagreeing on the methods for fixing that. I think one of you is saying 'we need to fix the root cause and stop being racist', and another is saying 'we need fix the symptoms right now because they're suffering.' What's frustrating is pretty much everybody thinks racism is wrong, and I legitimately think over 99% of the posters here are appalled by racism. But for various…

One side thinks the other are deranged horseshoed abyssal caricatures of the racists they try to fight

The other side thinks the other are moderate enablers too dumb to think at system scale or understand why it's thought that the game theoretic ends justify the means

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> and their first question was "Are you only looking for female engineers or are you OK with any genders?" If that isn't outright blatant sexism, I don't know what is.

This is extremely common among my recruiter friends. I know several and keep in touch in order to have my finger on the pulse of the hiring industry. The vast majority of their clients seem to word it like "we'd love to have great talent" followed by "do you have any non-white, preferably women engineers?" Since this is all off the books conversation it would be difficult to bring up a sexism or racism case. But ther…

Would be nice to see a leak of this somewhere. A smoking gun that this is happening, followed by the legal hammer would be what we need here.
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