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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by bradlys »

dekhn wrote: post #270
bradlys wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because other fields or companies do something doesn’t mean they’re not problematic. You might be living off of selection bias. I know for a fact that people in my area discriminate based upon where people are from. If they know you’re from a certain area, they have a particular disdain for you from the get go. So, don’t rule it out as being a real thing.

If you have a problem with people discriminating on place of origin, telling them not to ask where somebody is from is not the answer.

HR is used to make people fill a series of checkboxes - it isn't there to actually change people.

You're not going to somehow convert these folks to not be discriminatory overnight or even in a few years (as evident from HN). It will be something that will require a lifetime of work and more than just HR doing something.

HR is there to just prevent the assholes from being able to outright do it in the public eye and then the company being held liable for jackass clearly discriminating based upon where the person is from. If you never ask the question and the employee decides to not hire because, "seems like she's from Missouri, never did like those Kansas City Chiefs. Fuck 'em!" Well, employee and company can't be held liable for that decision because only the employee knows they discriminated for that reason and no one else does. But you ask the question - opens the box.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by tchinit »

noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

This is a malliciously uninformed take; which you seem to imply you already realize with your provocative self attack mocking 'ableism'.

If you have an issue with "Putting people in smaller and smaller box"es then you should start your rants by addressing religion or American voter policy.

Your take reads like in America's history black people were always able to vote and Civil Rights was really a rebranding of their rights because Black Americans collectively just wanted to now call it the 'Black Vote'.

Religions are predicated on in-group out-group dynamics, and the shared schizophrenic delusion of a, specifically old white male in the case of the dominant American religion Christianity, in the clouds telling them to hate homosexuals.

Your take ignores the fact that the oppressor is often the one compartmentalizing.

For example, the church refusing to marry same sex couples. So homosexual specific civil rights movements organize to force the hand of the chuch to begrudgingly allow them to marry.

But some people still want to tell trans people they are forbidden from using a bathroom. So now a T specific civil rights movement is needed from the previous compartment they were just lumped into of 'homosexual' because the L and Gs can use bathrooms without issue.

I agree the end goal should be one category: Entropic Debris. It encompasses all that is and will ever be.

I think compartmentalizing humanity as separate from the rocks we see in the night sky is unscientific, but I can recognise that such a take fails to address any of the frought and nuanced elements of contemporary human social interactions that need to be addressed with specificity.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by tomp »

kenjackson wrote: post #225
tomp wrote: post #121

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> We do have a diversity problem in tech, no doubt. We should be a bit more exact. We do not have a under representation problem in tech, but a mis representation problem. There’s a lot of minorities that are well-, even over-represented - e.g. Asians, Russian immigrants, autists, people without formal education, … I’m guessing it’s one of the most welcoming and meritocratic industries! But those aren’t the “right” m…

> There’s a lot of minorities that are well-, even over-represented - e.g. Asians, Russian immigrants, autists, people without formal education, … I’m guessing it’s one of the most welcoming and meritocratic industries! How do you get to your conclusion from your statement? Simply having some minority groups overrepresented doesn't mean that the industry is welcoming. It may mean its welcoming to those groups. And pe…

> And people w/o formal education isn't really a minority group.

They’re a minority / highly underrepresented in other highly paid professions (law, medicine, finance). That’s something that IMO makes tech a truly exceptional industry!

(Technically, women aren’t a “minority” either.)

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by xdennis »

ramblerman wrote: post #204
noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

"The ideology of individualism is dependent on a denial of the past as relevant to the present… Individualism denies the significance of race." -- Robin DeAngelo Robin DeAngelo, is a frontrunner of 'white guilt', CRT, and other strange sides of the woke movement. This quote pretty much sums it up, they want to put group identity first, above individualism.

As a European right winger, I find it strange how group identity, which is important to us, is valued by left wingers in the USA.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by wonderwonder »

indigochill wrote: post #36
bko wrote: post #3

What is Black+ and Latinx+? This is the first time I'm hearing this term and can't find anything about it in the report or online.

Maybe the reason for the attrition. I'm a white dude but work in a foreign country (also predominantly white). For the most part I'm just "one of the guys". I only really feel like an outsider when corporate policy dictates we have to talk about cultural sensitivity towards foreigners and I happen to be the only foreigner in the room. For people of different races, I assume this feeling is switched on practically all…

I work in a US company that has an African American VP of diversity and they regularly post in a diversity focused slack channel. The responses are 95% white people posting platitudes and saying how great the VP is. They do however force people being interviewed to answer on the spot diversity / anti racism questions that really almost no one is prepared for, forcing people to just make up answers to check a box. Seems forced.

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Post by cudgy »

bradlys wrote: post #217
cudgy wrote: post #108

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Interesting. Can you name a country that does not have a history of systematic enslavement? Perhaps the commenter is living in a Slavic country where whites were enslaved?

Slavery is just one aspect. Almost no one in Slavic countries (afaik) complains about slavery affecting them to this day because - in all likelihood - probably somewhat difficult to tell who is descendant of slaves and who isn’t. Isn’t as difficult to tell in the US. And the policy that followed after the end of slavery wasn’t done to help those who had been slaves or were descendants of slaves… the policy tried to m…

We are almost all descendants of slaves. The issue is not if … it’s when Your descendants were slaves.

Not sure anyone can speak for all Slavic people. However, just because someone complains about something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen to others.

Can you name a city in the world that doesn’t have some sort of racial, religious, economic or other form of segregation?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

sterlind wrote: post #268
evilpotatoes wrote: post #257

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It is, but honestly I don't think I could comprehend code that was read out to me. It's very much something I do with the visual parts of my brain in terms of following the logic, etc. I'm not saying that it's impossible, and I don't know what kind of difference something like braille would make. Idk, are there any blind programmers that you know of ? Surely there must be some programmers who have gone blind, I wonde…

I know of blind programmers but don't know any personally. But I was actually talking about the reverse: dictation. I'm losing use of my arms, and even ergonomic keyboards aren't cutting it. Rehab set me up with a copy of Dragon so I can dictate, but even Microsoft Teams isn't really accessible with it, much less Visual Studio or any kind of terminal. I can see the code just fine, I just can't dictate it.

Can you dictate to plaintext (notepad?) and use an oral markup - if punctuation is the problem - like saying "bang" for "!". Then parse your input, cut-paste into the IDE.

It seems very niche, which is why I'm not surprised not to see mention of it in the docs?

Why did you see it as particularly curious that VS and Dragon weren't setup for interoperability?

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Post by [deleted] »

sterlind wrote: post #226
enumjorge wrote: post #196

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> I’m guessing it’s one of the most welcoming and meritocratic industries! And I’m guessing you’re not one of the affected minorities. Otherwise you might see that “the system works for this subset of people so it must be working for everyone” is a flawed and untrue argument, at least in tech. People pushing for more equal treatment of certain minorities didn’t happen out of the blue. There’s a long history of certai…

a good example of this is the disabled. any of those same brilliant tech workers could acquire a disability at any time - they come from the same group of people , but we seem quite under-represented. and the developer tools themselves tend not to be accessible (I can find literally nothing online, or even internally, about using Visual Studio with Dragon NaturallySpeaking.) it's curious, right?

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by iammisc »

noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

When it comes to social issues, the republican party is typically more in line with international norms, whereas the democratic party is far far to the left.

People will mock this sentiment perhaps, but it's true. Take the polarizing issue of abortion for example. If the USA had the same abortion restrictions as Germany, you'd likely see the GOp drop most of its prolife stuff. Right now, the democrats are very extreme on abortion and other social issues compared to international norms.

It's why places like France are now also explicitly condemning american leftism despite nominally and fiscally being far to the left of the democratic party too.

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