Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by cfdrake » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 2:50 PM UTC

Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2
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Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by beaumartinez » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 3:45 PM UTC

Armin Ronacher—author of Flask and Werkzeug—pointed out earlier on Twitter[1] that (for better or for worse) it doesn't support WSGI.

[1] http://twitter.theinfo.org/92202624614539264

Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by zedshaw » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 3:50 PM UTC

beaumartinez wrote: post #2

Armin Ronacher—author of Flask and Werkzeug—pointed out earlier on Twitter[1] that (for better or for worse) it doesn't support WSGI. [1] http://twitter.theinfo.org/92202624614539264

It's for the better. WSGI is a piece of crap. Try getting a decent stack trace out of it's weird "we hate callbacks so we did nested function calls instead of lists" design.

Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by goldmab » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:11 PM UTC

zedshaw wrote: post #3

beaumartinez wrote: post #2

Armin Ronacher—author of Flask and Werkzeug—pointed out earlier on Twitter[1] that (for better or for worse) it doesn't support WSGI. [1] http://twitter.theinfo.org/92202624614539264

It's for the better. WSGI is a piece of crap. Try getting a decent stack trace out of it's weird "we hate callbacks so we did nested function calls instead of lists" design.

I don't understand what you're saying. What do you mean by "nested function calls," and how is that antithetical to both lists and callbacks? In what way is WSGI anti-callback?

Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by lhnz » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:14 PM UTC

There are so many different web frameworks available for Python now. How would somebody make the choice over Brubeck, Flask, Bottle, web.py, Django, Pylons, etc... I know somebody will probably say something like "use the best tool for the job" but what is best for what job?

edit; That's just Python frameworks. The situation gets even messier when you start to consider every other languages for web development. Lots of 'hip' technologies I would love to put time into learning but I can't learn them all...

Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by cool-RR » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:14 PM UTC

Looks very promising. I'm getting the impression that it has a better architecture than Django; I think that if and when it will match Django in level of finish, documentation, community, tools, etc., it might become a serious competitor.

Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by j2d2j2d2 » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:23 PM UTC

lhnz wrote: post #5

There are so many different web frameworks available for Python now. How would somebody make the choice over Brubeck, Flask, Bottle, web.py, Django, Pylons, etc... I know somebody will probably say something like "use the best tool for the job" but what is best for what job? edit; That's just Python frameworks. The situation gets even messier when you start to consider every other languages for web development. Lots…

Brubeck is a Mongrel2 handler which makes it effectively a ZeroMQ Framework. But it is built with web serving in mind so I (I wrote it) attempted to also bring many of the customs we're used to with web frameworks to the Python + Mongrel2 world.

There are many python frameworks and each serves a different need. If you are a Tornado user but find the blocking / nonblocking paradigm confusing, you would probably get a lot out of Brubeck because it replaces the IOLoop (like Twisted's reactor) with a simpler system, eventlet.

I'm glad you think it's hip! It's only a couple months old.

Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by po » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:23 PM UTC

OK, now this is interesting. Like twisted or Node.js enabled a new class of web applications, this is offering a lot more than just another Rails/Django clone. I'm happy that there are so many frameworks to choose from based on your personal preferences, but I'm really happy to see a project trying something completely different.

This is the first time j2labs crossed my radar… is this part of a larger project? Anyone in the know want to give the backstory on how this came about?

Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by j2d2j2d2 » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:26 PM UTC

beaumartinez wrote: post #2

Armin Ronacher—author of Flask and Werkzeug—pointed out earlier on Twitter[1] that (for better or for worse) it doesn't support WSGI. [1] http://twitter.theinfo.org/92202624614539264

The difference here is that Brubeck answers ZeroMQ messages from Mongrel2 instead of being a web server. So instead of using WSGI, Brubeck connects to Mongrel2 via a ZeroMQ socket and reads messages representing the web requests.

Beyond that I attempted to create a familiar interface for everyone who's used a pythonic web framework before. Indeed, a lot like Flask, but also like Tornado.

* Tornado style routing: https://github.com/j2labs/brubeck/blob/master/demos/demo_min...

* Flask style routing: https://github.com/j2labs/brubeck/blob/master/demos/demo_noc...

Re: Brubeck: A new Python web framework running on mongrel2

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Post by msluyter » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:28 PM UTC

lhnz wrote: post #5

There are so many different web frameworks available for Python now. How would somebody make the choice over Brubeck, Flask, Bottle, web.py, Django, Pylons, etc... I know somebody will probably say something like "use the best tool for the job" but what is best for what job? edit; That's just Python frameworks. The situation gets even messier when you start to consider every other languages for web development. Lots…

Agreed. For a newcommer, the question "which framework is most worth my time investment" has has become rather daunting. Seems like the safest choices are the big ones like Rails or Django, but there always seems to be something tempting and fun on the horizon.