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German Federal Election Forecast 2021 – INWT

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Re: German Federal Election Forecast 2021 – INWT

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Post by Vespasian »

undfg wrote: post #12
fabian2k wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you mean the chancellor candidates, the most likely one is Laschet from the CDU, which is certainly not left. They're the major conservative party in Germany.

I read their party programme and they weren't conservative. They are, like "right wing" parties in Spain, conservatives only in name. They are as progressive as the rest of left wing parties. Hence my question.

They are conservative in the sense that they don't want too much change and only slowly adapt to new things.

Being sceptical of flag waving nationalism, in favour of global trade agreements and the EU and taking an (at least verbal) stand against the far right (and the far left) is the definition of a conservative mindset in Germany.

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

dragonwriter wrote: post #17
adrianN wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Germans would not consider CDU/CSU to be "left". I think they understand themselves as a center-right conservative party.

Western European center-right is often described as left in the USA.

Yeah, I've read that Hillary Clinton would be considered right-wing in e.g. Germany.

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Post by exporectomy »

mlang23 wrote: post #9

I wonder how much it costs to walk up to one of these forecasters and buy the first place. Given how popular forecasting seems to be, I am convinced there is a good bussiness model behind.

How would they make the 3rd party poll results they show fit with the false prediction?

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Post by corty »

dragonwriter wrote: post #17
adrianN wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Germans would not consider CDU/CSU to be "left". I think they understand themselves as a center-right conservative party.

Western European center-right is often described as left in the USA.

Well, a US right-wing party would be called fascist around here and might get forbidden at some point.

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Post by allendoerfer »

artemonster wrote: post #7

I have immigrated into this country 12 years ago and became citizen 3 years ago and still, to this day, some facets of german culture fascinate me. Most of germans have seriously high threshold for „pain, which reflects in almost every everyday life situation: 1. customer service is abysmal and they are ok with it. 2. bureucratic machine is horrible and they are ok with it. 3. politics stagnating last decades and the…

I think you can answer your own question.

> I have immigrated into this country 12 years ago and became citizen 3 years ago

It somehow still is better than the alternatives on the grand scheme of things. Short answer: Record low unemployment rates (before the pandemic).

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Post by _Microft »

artemonster wrote: post #7

I have immigrated into this country 12 years ago and became citizen 3 years ago and still, to this day, some facets of german culture fascinate me. Most of germans have seriously high threshold for „pain, which reflects in almost every everyday life situation: 1. customer service is abysmal and they are ok with it. 2. bureucratic machine is horrible and they are ok with it. 3. politics stagnating last decades and the…

Regarding point 1, we Germans absolutely do NOT like someone getting in the way if we could do it ourselves faster and better, so please let us put our grocery into bags ourselves. The second worst thing is imo waiters hovering your table instead of doing their job and letting you enjoy your meal in peace. (Thinking of it, you might have the problem that you are not beckoning the waiter over if you need them? If you don't, you might actually wait quite a while and perceive that as bad service;)

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Post by adrianN »

exporectomy wrote: post #19
wohfab wrote: post #2

Let's hope, they're wrong. This corrupt idiot will destroy anything and everything. He just signed a paper to make building wind turbines A LOT harder and even wants to prevent people to take legal action against it.

As someone who knows nothing about that issue, what you said is neither here nor there. That makes it look like you're just repeating a political talking point without understanding why it matters or what it means. There's nothing inherently wrong with making building wind turbines harder. Maybe it's for safety reasons, or to protect the environment or workers rights or property rights or whatever. It's absolutely th…

There would be nothing inherently wrong with making building wind turbines harder if you actually presented an alternative means of reaching carbon neutrality fast.

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Post by artemonster »

allendoerfer wrote: post #25
artemonster wrote: post #7

I have immigrated into this country 12 years ago and became citizen 3 years ago and still, to this day, some facets of german culture fascinate me. Most of germans have seriously high threshold for „pain, which reflects in almost every everyday life situation: 1. customer service is abysmal and they are ok with it. 2. bureucratic machine is horrible and they are ok with it. 3. politics stagnating last decades and the…

I think you can answer your own question. > I have immigrated into this country 12 years ago and became citizen 3 years ago It somehow still is better than the alternatives on the grand scheme of things. Short answer: Record low unemployment rates (before the pandemic).

Yes, and I love it here. It doesnt mean you have to accept all the problems „because everywhere else is worse“ - this is the worst whataboutism there is.

Re: German Federal Election Forecast 2021 – INWT

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Post by exporectomy »

adrianN wrote: post #27
exporectomy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who knows nothing about that issue, what you said is neither here nor there. That makes it look like you're just repeating a political talking point without understanding why it matters or what it means. There's nothing inherently wrong with making building wind turbines harder. Maybe it's for safety reasons, or to protect the environment or workers rights or property rights or whatever. It's absolutely th…

There would be nothing inherently wrong with making building wind turbines harder if you actually presented an alternative means of reaching carbon neutrality fast.

Not sure you understand my point. Imagine, for example, the industry was poorly regulated and filled with cowboys. Lots of workers were getting killed in accidents and the government made stricter safety regulations to protect them but it also increased the difficulty of building wind turbines. Is that really a bad thing? Should they sacrifice human life to get maximum speed towards carbon neutrality?

Re: German Federal Election Forecast 2021 – INWT

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Post by undfg »

adrianN wrote: post #18
undfg wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read their party programme and they weren't conservative. They are, like "right wing" parties in Spain, conservatives only in name. They are as progressive as the rest of left wing parties. Hence my question.

You seem to use a different definition of "left" and "right" than me. What points in the party programme make them a "left" party?

This is kind of a philosophical question, innit? To me, social progressivism is left, and these CDU people seem to be full of it.
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