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Re: Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email

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€4/u/m is pretty steep. I'm currently using fastmail which is $3-5/u/m for mail/cal/card.

It is free if you only use it on 2 devices

Yeah unfortunately the main cost I'm looking to reduce is a family domain which I have ~10 family members on.

Re: Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email

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Thank you for making this service available. For entrepreneurs who like to launch new ideas with custom domains, pricing models like the one here is a HUGE savings over pay-per-account (or domain) pricing found at most major email providers. Further, it's not easy making much money charging just $10/year, even if the business gets quite popular... so again, thanks for making it available.

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on Zoho mail. You can use your custom domains even in their free tier

I’ve used Zoho for a while and you can add on domains. It’s pretty cool and the online mail is a pretty decent UI.

Re: Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email

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I actually get asked about this semi-frequently. Probably nobody could replace me as a _developer_ on Purelymail, but I've been training my brother to handle extended maintenance and to have handover credentials if anything happens to me personally. (This might be in the FAQ?)

Thanks! Have you looked into source code escrow for this situation?

No, but I will. Thanks for giving me a term to research!

Re: Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email

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Oh cool, my project is on HackerNews! I was wondering about the sudden uptick in user signups, and then I checked HN... I'm Scott, feel free to ask me anything about the service.

Slightly OT, but what is the best practice to store (archive) email locally after they have been read from a remote imap server? 3 Gb is plenty for a few months of "live" email but after that what should we do to keep those emails -- and still have them searchable if need be?

I keep everything remote, so that every client gets the whole corpus. For now, that means that indexing is done with notmuch whose command line I use for search... Not as good as a webmail's UI but it puts search results as a maildir so I can open them from any IMAP client as a special folder.

Re: Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email

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Looks good. Fair pricing. I hope it works out for them. I started out with self-hosting mail-in-a-box [1]. If you really want to self-host, I can highly recommend it. Would be the cheapest option. At some point I decided to let go of it, because maintenance and configuration can still be a bit cumbersome. There was one thing (DMARC or DNSSEC?) which I never was able to set up properly for some unknown reason, even af…

I'll throw my hat in the ring for postale, they are a good service for both individuals and business. Is $1 a month really going to put you in financial stress? Is your business going to die paying $5 a month?

> Also, be aware that free 3rd-party mail hosting with a custom domain does not exist.

You can set up a custom domain on a free gmail account, it's hidden away but certainly possible.

Re: Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email

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I recently switched to Posteo from a few years with ProtonMail. Reading from Purelymail's docs and with price being within $3 annually of one another (Posteo is €12 annually) Posteo pros: comes with calendar and contacts via WebDAV, not registered in the US (Germany is part of 14 Eyes, but not 5 or 9, and the EU is better about privacy), cash payment option Purelymail pros: more storage @ $10, custom domain support,…

Posteo also runs on FOSS and is being endorsed by the FSF - if that matters. They also do 2FA, via TOTP (which many apps support). They offer a migration tool that downloads email from your other accounts.

Both of these email provider options support TOTP so I omitted it; and TOTP ≠ U2F/WebAuthn with a USB token. I have an OnlyKey, but it’s mostly full of TOTP keys already because applications are not supporting WebAuthn. Posteo does not support this, and last I emailed them, they said they do not release information about future features.

Re: Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email

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Fastmail isn't entirely faceless either :p But we're definitely not still the 3-man show that we were before the Opera years (up until 2010). Obviously, I think Fastmail is worth the extra for the multi-copy redundancy & backups, new features, contributions we're making to the standards world, and not being dependent on a single person - the past few years in particular we've been focusing on not only being able to s…

Oh sorry I did not mean to suggest Fastmail was a faceless megacorp, I was thinking of Google, MS, Apple, etc. I fondly recall many years ago I had some WebDAV issue and got a reply directly from you saying you'd fixed the issue but you were just heading out to dinner and so you'd push to production when you got back. That convinced a few friends to join too. After about 10 years, Fastmail felt it was shifting to a m…

Hah, yeah - fair enough. Glad I could fix your issue. Ahh, Webdav. I know the XML libraries a lot better these days and could make that code a lot tighter, but it's still chugging along just fine, pretty much untouched since :)

As for enterprise focus - not so much enterprise, but we are focusing more on the non-technical user. All the power is still there under the hood and available, but it's not so much in your face if you don't want it to be!

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Yea, they say as much in the data privacy FAQ. I think my recommendation is that if you're worried about being explicitly targeted by state actors, don't use email. (Not even Protonmail.) If you're worried about general data hoovering, AWS would probably need to implement very sophisticated introspection into what your machines are doing to break the SSL on SMTPS, and courts might not be sympathetic to that. I expect…

> Yea, they say as much in the data privacy FAQ. I think my recommendation is that if you're worried about being explicitly targeted by state actors, don't use email. (Not even Protonmail.) Protonmail (and Tutanota, which I went with) both offer E2E encrypted email via open-source client apps, so they should be fine even against state actors if you use their encryption. In the case of Tutanota, this has even been tes…

The E2E will help so long as you're sending email to other users of the same service, yeah. For most cases, it's probably not a huge upgrade from stored encrypted; the bulk of damage in email leaks would be from accumulated emails from the past.

The reason I don't recommend using it if you're super paranoid is because it'd be easy to mess up, and it comes with quite significant holes- e.g. subjects aren't E2E in Protonmail. Best to use a protocol designed for E2E from the ground up.

https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/does-protonmai...

Re: Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email

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Fastmail isn't entirely faceless either :p But we're definitely not still the 3-man show that we were before the Opera years (up until 2010). Obviously, I think Fastmail is worth the extra for the multi-copy redundancy & backups, new features, contributions we're making to the standards world, and not being dependent on a single person - the past few years in particular we've been focusing on not only being able to s…

Your custom domain pricing is weird. Is it really important to squeeze the extra $20/year out of the first user? It ends up being $50/year for the first user vs $12/year at Zoho. Why not just put custom domains in the basic tier? DMARC reporting could be a huge value add if you could build something in. That whole industry is a massive ripoff and too expensive for small businesses.

Over 1/3 of our staff are support agents, and support is one of our largest costs, so yes - custom domains do add additional support challenges, and we do need to cover that cost.

Thanks for the suggestion with DMARC reporting. It's not something we're going to work on straight away, but I'll add it into the suggestions for the domain features. Definitely we'd only look at building something pretty basic and low-touch, but maybe that's enough for a lot of small businesses.

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