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Re: Robinhood S-1 IPO

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Robinhood closed my brokerage account after I did transferred out assets (via ACATS transfer, to get a signup bonus with another brokerage without realizing capital gains). A few months later I asked how to reopen the account, using the "reopen account" form in their app to generate a support ticket. Three weeks later they sent an email saying that my account was permanently closed and I should apply for a new accoun…

I went through this exact same scenario. Had to create another email address to get the 2nd account going. Total garbage experience.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny that you are being played most, when you think you are in control.

yea - everytime I try to explain to peers and family what the price of free is, deaf ears.

I understand that Robinhood sells order flow and that you may get a worse fill because of it, but is the average Robinhood user getting 3 cents of slippage on their order of 1 share of Ford worse than a $10 round trip in order fees from a more premium broker on the same trade?

I think the order flow model is better for most retail traders. Obviously, if you're buying $20k in stock at a time, paying the fees will be better, but that's not your average Robinhood user.

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I understand that many give Robinhood crap because it is not "sophisticated enough" or because of the Gamestop fiasco. Although many startups like to claim that they are "democratizing [x]", I honestly believe they did it. I have many friends that never traded before, and after they got their Robinhood account they feel comfortable enough to do it often. Even myself, who used to only trade a couple of times a year, s…

Index funds democratized investing. Robinhood “democratized” the worst part of investing and exposed unsophisticated investors to the instruments they are most likely to underperform on. Individual stock picking is probably worse than indexes but fine, however the incentive to day trade or trade complex derivatives is almost certainly going to hurt people far more often than a Vanguard account. It’s not a coincidence…

> It was the fraud of the century and only people with little understanding of finance bought the explanation.

I think you'll find that the opposite is the case.

Re: Robinhood S-1 IPO

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Per-user revenue was $109 for 2020. My goodness payment for order flow and cryptocurrency rebates are lucrative.

Funny that you are being played most, when you think you are in control.

If UX was the gating factor for buying crypto, and Robinhood let you buy crypto... you had _enough_ control.

Re: Robinhood S-1 IPO

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Hmm. Vice says the CEO (Vlad) had his phone seized - not for this thing but for the meme stock mess. Seems like a very big deal. https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx5p8z/feds-seized-robinhood...

I was called a conspiracy theorist only yesterday for claiming there was anything wrong with the restrictions. I’m glad to know numerous federal agencies share my views.

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted… You’re not the only one.

For some reason, defending hedge funds who’ve been blatantly manipulating the market seems, to draw a lot of vigorous defendants on here.

https://prospect.org/power/how-the-gamestop-hustle-worked/

Re: Robinhood S-1 IPO

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Index funds democratized investing. Robinhood “democratized” the worst part of investing and exposed unsophisticated investors to the instruments they are most likely to underperform on. Individual stock picking is probably worse than indexes but fine, however the incentive to day trade or trade complex derivatives is almost certainly going to hurt people far more often than a Vanguard account. It’s not a coincidence…

> Finally, the GameStop fiasco was unforgivable and only a naive fool would accept the explanation given. Citadel is the MAJORITY of Robinhood revenue and was opposite that trade. Only someone who doesn't understand how any of this works would believe these absurd conspiracy theories. 1) Citadel is one of FIVE of wholesale market markets RH use. Even if they did refuse to accept orders for GME, why wouldn't their fou…

I'm not GP but you are missing the most important fact: a bit over 10% of Robinhood's base revenue was PFOF. Of that more than 10%, the top 3 (~75% of the total) paying them were Citadel, Susquehanna and Wolverine.

Losing PFOF from Citadel alone means kissing away more than 5% of their _revenue_. With essentially no cost associated with PFOF, these payments account for a large portion of their profit.

Re: Robinhood S-1 IPO

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> I wonder why giant market-making hedge funds would pay for that order flow... Another tech faustian bargain. It really isn't. They're making money off the spread (eg. $105.01 bid vs $105.02 ask), which exists regardless of PFOF (regulation NMS mandates that the price be better or equal to NBBO). The reason why they want retail flow is that it's mostly "uninformed" and they're less likely to get run over. matt levin…

What you are describing is market makers, not Robinhood. Quoting directly from the S-1: > Our PFOF and Transaction Rebate arrangements with market makers are a matter of practice and business understanding and not documented under binding contracts. For the three months ended March 31, 2021, 59% of our total revenues came from four market makers. So 59% of Robinhood's revenue comes from selling PFOF to market makers.…

> If it was simple matter of profiting off bid-ask spread: Force those orders through the exchanges instead of through dark pools.

When the broker gives the order to a market maker directly, they can't offer a worse price than the exchanges (national best bid offer). Typically, they offer a better price (=price improvement, a "discount").

Robinhood takes a cut of that discount (and a larger cut than other brokers).

The other poster explained why the market maker gives a discount on "uninformed" retail flow compared to the NBBO.

I agree that HFT is just a silly game of being faster, and is largely rent seeking and even destroying value. But market making per se is valuable, and pretty competitive, and the spread constitutes the necessary and benign payment for that service.

Here's a suggestion:

1. Restrict trading to, say, 4 hours a day, 2 in the morning, 2 in the evening. You could maybe make it such that time zones have partial overlap.

2. During these hours, have an auction every minute, instead of continuous trading. Maybe with stochastic end time (to negate HFT techniques/sniping).

3. Impose a Tobin tax of, dunno, 1 basis point on every trade.

Measures such as those might limit the opportunity for profit from silly HFT (like replacing the cable from Chicago to NY by a slightly straighter cable to shave off a few milliseconds).

Re: Robinhood S-1 IPO

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Per-user revenue was $109 for 2020. My goodness payment for order flow and cryptocurrency rebates are lucrative.

Out of curiosity what's the fastest way to find that metric in the S1?

ctrl+f arpu ctrl+f churn ctrl+f key performance

etc

Re: Robinhood S-1 IPO

#260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yea - everytime I try to explain to peers and family what the price of free is, deaf ears.

I understand that Robinhood sells order flow and that you may get a worse fill because of it, but is the average Robinhood user getting 3 cents of slippage on their order of 1 share of Ford worse than a $10 round trip in order fees from a more premium broker on the same trade? I think the order flow model is better for most retail traders. Obviously, if you're buying $20k in stock at a time, paying the fees will be b…

Everyone sells order flow. It’s: do you want sale of your order flow to be the only fee you pay or do you want to pay commissions on top of that, too?
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