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England is occupying part of Ireland. I have no personal opinion about this, or links to Ireland, but it seems pretty obvious to anyone looking at it from the outside.
They would be wrong then. The great majority of unionist are of Scottish descent and have been in Norther Ireland from the 1600s. FYI the term "unionist" refers to those in NI who want the union with Britain to be maintained, not as someone looking in from outside would assume those who want a union with Southern Ireland. Those are "nationalists".
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> There are also several (known) political mercenaries who operate bot farms specifically to attack leftists and signal boost those attacks to astroturf popularity. You mean harassers and bullies from hexbear AKA chapotraphouse who target radical feminists? Yes, it's leftists attacking women who disagree with them.
Haven't heard about this. Is there evidence of bot accounts specifically? Or is it unclear if its bots (network of accounts managed by one or few people) or a crowd of tribalist low-information angry people? Often hard to tell them apart, and a successful former often breeds the later, so I think it can be challenging to determine conclusively. "Bot" has also increasingly (and incorrectly IMO) been used as a pejorati…
I kind of feel that in a case where there are many accounts using identical text (which is too long to be identical by coincidence) (e.g. in replies to something), it is probably fair to call these bots, even though one can’t rule out the possibility that the automation is as small as just copying and pasting the same text into different accounts + something to open windows as different accounts viewing the same tweet.
Like, maybe that setup wouldn’t strictly count as bots, but really only because it hasn’t been automated as much as it could be while having the same result.
So, I think it is probably fair to call that observable-phenomenon “bots” even though it might not always strictly be bots?
But I agree that a group of paid astroturfers(/trolls?) who are writing different things, probably shouldn’t be called “bots”, even if they each use multiple accounts (provided that they aren’t semi-automatically saying the same things from the different accounts).
I do think that the concept of sock puppets probably captures much of the idea that “bots” is inappropriately extended to, and in a sense applies to many of the kinds of bots that people are talking about in this context (bots pretending to be many people, rather than a bot which is up-front about being a bot).
So, maybe talking about “socks” would be a good substitute for when some are talking about “bots” when they don’t really care if they are actually bots?
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#213Will he be able to colllect? It does send a message though.
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>You seem to be accusing the person you are responding to of being Brewdog? Or are you trying to promote Brewdog by publicising their deliberate controversies? There is no such implication on both counts. I am flabbergasted by how you have arrived at your conclusion.
I was not drawing want conclusions. I was struggling to understand your comment and those were the only three plausible (and mutually exclusive) interpretations i could come up with. I presume you had a point you were trying to make, but i could not figure out what it was from your comment as written.
I.e. they were suggesting that brewdog, uh, deliberately invites criticism, and then uses that criticism to their advantage by using defamation law.
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I don't think you're giving a great summary of these stories. The first two are related to personal defamation: * Police horse and dog: people could be arrested for "threatening, abusive or insulting" speech in public at the time. The police, being wankers, overused their discretion on "insulting" speech and so the law was changed in 2013 to remove "insulting" as a criterion. https://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/16/you-…
Thanks for the details! Any news on Simon Singh and the British Chiropractic Association or the Church of Scientology?
* Simon Singh & BCA: appeals court changed Singh's "statement of fact" to "fair comment" (opinion) in 2010. The BCA then withdrew the libel lawsuit. The "Libel Reform Campaign" used this case to push for a 2013 act which modified libel laws.
* I don't know which Scientology libel suit you're asking about. The most recent news item I could find was a 2015 chilling effect where a local broadcaster and publisher rethought showing/printing "Going Clear" because Northern Ireland wasn't covered by the 2013 libel law. The latest actual libel suit I could find was a 6 year libel case where: (ex-Scientologist) Bonnie Woods started a phoneline for other dissenters, the Scientologists printed leaflets calling her a "hate campaigner" and distributed them in Hood's neighborhood, Hood sued, the Scientologists counter-sued, Hood eventually won a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/03/21/394273902/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_the_United_King...
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Lol, "Para military" on one side being actual British Army?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Volunteer_Force
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They would be wrong then. The great majority of unionist are of Scottish descent and have been in Norther Ireland from the 1600s. FYI the term "unionist" refers to those in NI who want the union with Britain to be maintained, not as someone looking in from outside would assume those who want a union with Southern Ireland. Those are "nationalists".
Yes, it’s an ongoing war crime since 1600.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#Public_opinion The people of Northern Ireland disagree, and we ought to leave it to them.
Essentially it's a piece curved out of a country where descendants of occupants exceed in number native population. Of course it's occupied for so long that now it's "their own", still doesn't change the fact that it was occupied and not treated equally historically in the first place.
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Haven't heard about this. Is there evidence of bot accounts specifically? Or is it unclear if its bots (network of accounts managed by one or few people) or a crowd of tribalist low-information angry people? Often hard to tell them apart, and a successful former often breeds the later, so I think it can be challenging to determine conclusively. "Bot" has also increasingly (and incorrectly IMO) been used as a pejorati…
(I have no information about the specific topic of alleged CTH bots/“bots”. I’m not asserting that any particular group is using bots. I’m just speaking generally about the topic of what counts as “bots” and what doesn’t.) I kind of feel that in a case where there are many accounts using identical text (which is too long to be identical by coincidence) (e.g. in replies to something), it is probably fair to call these…
Copy-paste reply bots are clearly "bots" IMO - but these seem to be falling out of favor because pointing out many identical replies tends to be a very effective "dunk" on the idea they are promoting.
Someone found screenshots Sally Albright's tooling in a support request: she had ~50-100 different accounts with unique identities. She could post replies to a given tweet from multiple different accounts from a single page. However, liking and retweeting each others replies could be fully automated (with some randomization of timing and which accounts are used).
Albright has claimed that the accounts she managed were originally owned by people who gave her control of them. I am incredulous, particularly because some accounts were identified as using a dead person's image with a different name. But there is the possibility that she was given the impression by whoever provided these accounts to her that these were 'real' accounts where the owners consented to have them used in this manner.
It gives the capability for a single person to seem like they are a crowd of like minded people all in agreement on social media. I believe this model of automated likes/retweets but manual replies is the most common (and pernicious) method used today - practically impossible to prove without data outside the platform it is occurring.