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Vaccine made of live malaria parasites shows early success

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Re: Vaccine made of live malaria parasites shows early success

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Post by Vecr »

evanrich wrote: post #12
Vecr wrote: post #10

Nice idea, but there's no way something like this would pass FDA. Even for the live VSV Ebola vaccine that contains no Ebola at all in it, except for the encoded spike, it's recommended for a doctor to do administration, and it's not commercially available, so you have to justify your need for it to the federal government. You are also supposed to avoid close contact with anyone else for quite a while after, to preve…

Does the FDA have to approve it for American NGOs to distribute it internationally? Definitely would make more of a difference to African and India

I don't think so, especially if it's nominally part of a trial. US Ebola drugs and vaccines were used in Africa before approval.

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Post by vanderZwan »

Exmoor wrote: post #20

I'll be interested to see how this compares to Malaria vaccine, R21, which was recently announced to be highly effective[0]. It seems like R21 is similarly effective and may not have the perception or scalability issues that a "live parasite" vaccine might have. That said, I'm just happy to hear that there's progress being made. Hopefully we can see the vaccine rolled out to the millions at risk ASAP. [0] https://blo…

That vaccine is mentioned in the article:

> The vaccination protected 87.5% of participants who were infected after three months with the same strain of parasite that was used in the inoculation, and 77.8% of those who were infected with a different strain. This is a significant improvement on earlier efforts to use live parasites in a malaria vaccine, which did not perform as well against different strains.

> Another vaccine, called R21, was recently shown to be up to 77% effective in a trial of 450 young children, and a larger study is under way.

I assume we can't rally make direct comparisons between the two based on these very different studies, but both appear to be working really well.

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Post by passivate »

cwkoss wrote: post #7

How do vaccines with live parasites work? Does attenuation somehow guarantee that the live parasites won't replicate to the point of becoming a full-on infection? Can these vaccines only be used on patients with healthy immune systems, and those with weakened immune systems have the potential for cascading replication and full infections?

As per their publication, they simultaneously give you anti-malaria medication in addition to the sporozoites. Its called chemoprophylaxis vaccination. (Just learned of it today)

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Post by pkaye »

evanrich wrote: post #12
Vecr wrote: post #10

Nice idea, but there's no way something like this would pass FDA. Even for the live VSV Ebola vaccine that contains no Ebola at all in it, except for the encoded spike, it's recommended for a doctor to do administration, and it's not commercially available, so you have to justify your need for it to the federal government. You are also supposed to avoid close contact with anyone else for quite a while after, to preve…

Does the FDA have to approve it for American NGOs to distribute it internationally? Definitely would make more of a difference to African and India

No it only requires the approval of the destination country. But in the case of Ebola, some of those countries didn't have an established infrastructure to run trials so the WHO initially hesitated. But in the end they got Merck to run the trials and FDA and EMA to evaluate the results.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/07/inside-story-scientists-...

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Post by jvanderbot »

Someday, perhaps the vaccine will be the major disease vector, as it is now for Polio.

This is not an anti-vax position. This is desirable, but I'm really curious how to manage the message of "The only way you'll catch this disease nowadays is from this vaccine, but you still have to get it".

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Post by TremendousJudge »

babypuncher wrote: post #19
Vecr wrote: post #10

Nice idea, but there's no way something like this would pass FDA. Even for the live VSV Ebola vaccine that contains no Ebola at all in it, except for the encoded spike, it's recommended for a doctor to do administration, and it's not commercially available, so you have to justify your need for it to the federal government. You are also supposed to avoid close contact with anyone else for quite a while after, to preve…

An RNA vaccine is starting human trials next year, and likely won't have these problems. https://academictimes.com/first-vaccine-to-fully-immunize-ag...

It'd be a great silver lining for this pandemic to turn out to be the kickstart for a new generation of vaccines to curb malaria and such

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Post by caymanjim »

Vecr wrote: post #10

Nice idea, but there's no way something like this would pass FDA. Even for the live VSV Ebola vaccine that contains no Ebola at all in it, except for the encoded spike, it's recommended for a doctor to do administration, and it's not commercially available, so you have to justify your need for it to the federal government. You are also supposed to avoid close contact with anyone else for quite a while after, to preve…

That's ok, though; the US hardly sees any malaria, and the cases that do present here are typically contracted in other countries. It can spread here, and we shouldn't be complacent, but the US isn't where a vaccine is needed.

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Post by ghaff »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #26
babypuncher wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An RNA vaccine is starting human trials next year, and likely won't have these problems. https://academictimes.com/first-vaccine-to-fully-immunize-ag...

It'd be a great silver lining for this pandemic to turn out to be the kickstart for a new generation of vaccines to curb malaria and such

Pfizer is working on a Lyme vaccine which is increasingly sorely needed.

Would be nice to see a better Dengue Fever vaccine too.

Re: Vaccine made of live malaria parasites shows early success

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Post by refurb »

jdavis703 wrote: post #16
cwkoss wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how disclosure works for the "field study testing the vaccine in adults is under way in Mali." Do they screen enrollees based on scientific literacy? Seems like there could be significant moral hazards here.

I’ve been the “lab rat” in many US studies, and generally all we get is a disclosure stating the purpose, risks and methods of the experiment. There’s no test for “scientific literacy” at all. I’m not even sure the point of this. What people care about is the risks and methods.

All patient consent must be worded for patient comprehension. This is done by the IRB.

Re: Vaccine made of live malaria parasites shows early success

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Post by tim333 »

Exmoor wrote: post #20

I'll be interested to see how this compares to Malaria vaccine, R21, which was recently announced to be highly effective[0]. It seems like R21 is similarly effective and may not have the perception or scalability issues that a "live parasite" vaccine might have. That said, I'm just happy to hear that there's progress being made. Hopefully we can see the vaccine rolled out to the millions at risk ASAP. [0] https://blo…

There's also the "Yale lab develops revolutionary RNA vaccine for malaria" vaccine using "self-amplifying RNA, or saRNA" which looks interesting although it's in earlier stages testing wise. https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/03/12/yale-lab-develops-...
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