The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019) • Hacker News Board

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by swiley » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

uniqueid wrote: post #49

It's a shame that nobody but Youtube can afford to host videos at a loss year after year. I could vent for an hour about why I dislike the company: they are a privacy abomination; their moderation is incompetent; the way they monetize is unethical. If there were a worse steward than Youtube to store the bulk of humanity's video, I can't think of who it would possibly be.

Are they so expensive to host yourself? Sure the picture quality won't be as great but with modern codecs it doesn't seem like it would be much worse than the average web page.

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by topkai22 » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #53

topkai22 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife’s business has a number of self taught engineers. As management (everyone management started as an engineer), they have full faith in these people and love them. However, it causes them no end of pain that they never got their degrees as client contracts often require a credential to bill at higher rates. For the ones that are willing, they’ll gladly sponsor a degree pursuit and pay them more at completion, b…

I have associates degree in electronics tech and did go for my full engineering degree, but failed out...twice. I cannot for the life of me reliably pen-and-paper-clock-ticking solve complex equations. I even payed out the ass for a top tier tutor, no luck. I very firmly reached the "Maybe this just isn't for you" point. But with my own work and in my job, being really bad at high level calculus or diff eq has never…

Are you able to do the homework (without aids) but not the test?

You might have some form of diagnosable learning disability. If you get that diagnosed and then take it to a college's office of disability support services (or whatever the equivalent is), they'll set you up with a set of accommodations, which is generally things like more time on tests.

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by Barrin92 » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

deregulateMed wrote: post #59

Barrin92 wrote: post #52

While visual learning through YouTube is a step up in terms of tacit knowledge transmission I think the example of becoming a world class athlete by watching YouTube videos is probably really an exception and mentorship and a comprehensive environment to learn in are very important. Samo also lists (heart) surgery as an example and I think it would be very hard to learn this at any level of excellence from footage al…

Ahh the good ol "medicine is Art and science" keeping the physician cartel alive and well, with no competitive risk from scientists and AI. I know my son was at risk of worse outcomes if not for me researching the relevant scientific papers online. (Tongue Tie, surgery vs laser, physician recommended surgery because it's done by a surgeon not a dentist. Outcomes are worse with surgery) It's about time we move to evid…

is the entire point of your account to advocate for deregulating medicine or why are you barking up the wrong tree here?

I didn't argue for or against licenses. In any field with tacit knowledge expertise will persist regardless. Even in a world with zero licenses people will probably not have their kids operated on by someone who studied surgery on YouTube. Both the dentist as well as the physician in your example are trained professionals. As are the scientists whose studies you trusted when you came to the conclusion that someone gave you bad advice.

Institutionalized and tacit knowledge in science is just as present as it is in medicine. Licenses are just a way to make that knowledge acquisition explicit and verifiable.

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by deregulateMed » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

uniqueid wrote: post #49

It's a shame that nobody but Youtube can afford to host videos at a loss year after year. I could vent for an hour about why I dislike the company: they are a privacy abomination; their moderation is incompetent; the way they monetize is unethical. If there were a worse steward than Youtube to store the bulk of humanity's video, I can't think of who it would possibly be.

Even Google is giving up their free services. Soon YouTube will follow Apple and raise their walls around the Prison and lock people in through an aggressive TOS. With DMCA or newly lobbied legislation could Google own every video?

It will be an exodus for those on the cutting edge, and the late comers will be paying the price.

Google doesn't have the marketing department Apple has to successfully pull it off.

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by yuy910616 » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:31 PM UTC

spaetzleesser wrote: post #5

I think it also has a huge effect on sports. Especially the ones that aren’t on TV. When I did martial arts in the 90s it was super hard to find recordings of good Muay Thai or kickboxing fights. So you had to figure out things for yourself very slowly instead of seeing how the world class guys do it. Today’s youth can watch the best in the sport from all history and learn things way faster. So I expect the next gene…

I learned a lot about knots and anchors on Youtube, and as a climber sometimes my life depends on it.

But of course you should take actual lessons from instructors before using youtube as a resource.

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #26

bluGill wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who dreams of being a trash collector? Taking trash to the landfill. That is why your dreams will fail: there are unexciting things that need to be done for society to function.

Lots of people dream of making good money without studying for years. Trash collection just needs to pay enough, and those people will do the work.

When I was a kid, I thought that basic economics implied that the jobs people didn't want to do would be the ones that paid the most, and the jobs that people would do even if they didn't get paid would pay the least.

At 57, I realize that I didn't grasp the issue of the level of skill and/or education required to do a given job, and the distribution of that within the population.

Still ....

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by deregulateMed » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #63

deregulateMed wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh the good ol "medicine is Art and science" keeping the physician cartel alive and well, with no competitive risk from scientists and AI. I know my son was at risk of worse outcomes if not for me researching the relevant scientific papers online. (Tongue Tie, surgery vs laser, physician recommended surgery because it's done by a surgeon not a dentist. Outcomes are worse with surgery) It's about time we move to evid…

is the entire point of your account to advocate for deregulating medicine or why are you barking up the wrong tree here? I didn't argue for or against licenses. In any field with tacit knowledge expertise will persist regardless. Even in a world with zero licenses people will probably not have their kids operated on by someone who studied surgery on YouTube. Both the dentist as well as the physician in your example a…

No, I somewhat value privacy and use burner accounts. I was probably upset I had to pay 5 different people to get my yearly dandruff medicine.

Also, I absolutely do not trust scientists (read- Humans). I trust the scientific method and finding multiple independent studies with reasonable methods and similar conclusions.

I simply took issue with you claiming there is an Art to medicine in 2021.

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by obloid » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

strife25 wrote: post #31

Home Improvement YouTube is amazing. There's a reason we don't see modern Bob Vila-personalities on TV as much these days.

It really is a gold mine. Things I've successfully tackled with the help of YouTube:small engine repair, appliance repair, knife making, woodworking, electronics, sailing, auto repair. And the list goes on.

Yes there is a lot of garbage, but also some really useful content.

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by yupper32 » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

yuy910616 wrote: post #65

spaetzleesser wrote: post #5

I think it also has a huge effect on sports. Especially the ones that aren’t on TV. When I did martial arts in the 90s it was super hard to find recordings of good Muay Thai or kickboxing fights. So you had to figure out things for yourself very slowly instead of seeing how the world class guys do it. Today’s youth can watch the best in the sport from all history and learn things way faster. So I expect the next gene…

I learned a lot about knots and anchors on Youtube, and as a climber sometimes my life depends on it. But of course you should take actual lessons from instructors before using youtube as a resource.

I feel like people are too afraid of saying that you can learn dangerous topics without a proper teacher. IMO it holds people back.

I'm a completely self taught outdoor climber (with the exception of a lead belay course indoors) and have worked up to some pretty advanced stuff. Trad, big wall, self-rescue, etc.

Youtube was a big part of that. You can watch videos published by authoritative sources, cross reference them with books, etc. and get a very good understanding of a topic. Even when your life is on the line.

Then you can start branching out once you know the building blocks. Some rando on Youtube is showing you how to build some new-to-you self-equalizing anchor? Well they're just using the knots and concepts you already know from the authoritative sources. You can verify it's safe yourself, and then judge the usefulness.

Re: The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)

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Post by topkai22 » Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

YouTube is amazing for the sort of tacit knowledge the author is talking about, as well as things that actually transfer pretty well in well written manuals, like auto repair. I use YouTube to find tacit information on household/auto repairs, how to enhance my 3d printer, etc... all the time. It really is a new repository of knowledge for humankind. It is amazing, and boon for me and my life.

However, much of my ability to enjoy and use that tacit knowledge is predicated on having other basic skills. I know my way around tools and a shop both because my dad taught me and because I took courses in school.

YouTube (and much of online learning generally) is fantastic to for learning specific, point in time skills that you need to use right away. This is incredibly important and incredibly useful. It is less good at ensuring the people learn the fundamental skills they need to make these sorts of point in time learnings accessible. After all, while I didn't learn how to replace the trunk lock assembly on a 2010 Toyota Highlander in school, but I did build enough things in Junior High shop class that I knew what a socket wrench was and that it was possible to fix things.

These technologies and systems serve different needs, I think its important to recognize that.