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Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum

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Re: Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum

#91
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe they did, but then the troll would have fought the case and probably won everything is a negotiation Edit: 1 downvote today and now I can't respond

Even if the case turns out your way, the laywer costs to fight the case in court may be large enough that settling is better for your. It doesn't matter which side of this you are on.

It’s worth noting that in the UK the loser pays the costs (subject to various standard and maximum rates etc.)

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#92
post #74

The word “troll” has lost all meaning. It’s worse than “hacker”. I now reflexively disregard the people who use the term. I’m sure they’d say that anyone who disagrees must be “trolling” too. A bad word that impedes thinking.

cool story bro.

Troll?

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#93
post #9
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ireland like the UK has strong defamation laws. I suspect it plays a part in concealing political corruption rather protecting an individuals right to a reputation as pointed out by EU officials a couple of times.

I don't have a horse in this race, but playing devil's advocate: USA doesn't have strong defamation laws, and yet we still have well-concealed corruption.

I don't think the defamation laws are the only approach to concealing corruption -- just one way thats popular in the UK & Ireland.

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#94
post #37

> The individual admitted running a campaign which "involved the systematic dissemination of false and defamatory allegations" against Mr Nolan. I think that it is good that someone got to own up for the turdslinging they do online, but why are we ok with platforms that aren’t held accountable for the “systematic dissemination of false and defamatory allegations” they enable? What if you don’t have BBC lawyers and re…

I was in the “libertarian” camp on this. But now looking at all the damage caused (including killings in India on false social media rumors) I certainly think “mainstreaming of social media” is warranted. For one remove anonymity from social media. That in itself should clean up half this mess with existing laws.

> For one remove anonymity from social media. That in itself should clean up half this mess with existing laws.

And it should also enable going after people with unpopular opinions even more.

And preventing people from spreading disinformation doesn't mean that the disinformation will magically go away. It's just that the only people allowed to spread disinformation will be the government and the capitalists. And you will be punished if you call them out on it.

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#95

It seems misleading for the headline to talk about "damages" when the case settled. "Damages" to me suggests court-ordered compensation.

Most damages are settled out of court. Going to court is more expensive so lawyers on both sides try to avoid this.

If it’s expensive, I imagine lawyers on both sides try to encourage going to court!

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#96
post #72

Why is there no mention of what he actually said? There's a big difference between calling someone a poopyhead and alleging he's a pedophile. How can the people stay informed about potential abuse when the press omits the most important part?

I think that’s to avoid the Streisand effect: Trying to have information removed often brings more attention to the information you want removed.

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#97

It should be noted: Stephen Nolan is a Northern Irish presenter, and the trolling in question concerned whether his show gives an unfair amount of coverage to unionist positions, as opposed to nationalists. Personal security concerns are a big deal in this case, regardless of whether the anonymous figure is well-known or not. Settling here isn't necessarily just a PR move.

In that case, maybe the content was political rather than trolling? Settling like this is a slippery slope if you’ve said something to offend someone rather than simply libel and troll them.

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#98
post #72

Why is there no mention of what he actually said? There's a big difference between calling someone a poopyhead and alleging he's a pedophile. How can the people stay informed about potential abuse when the press omits the most important part?

It's a warning to all trolls, they say in the article. The exact warning is undefined however.

The lack of concrete definitions and examples makes it a warning to everyone.

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#99

Not many people have 6 figures lying around to pay... I think most regular people, faced with the offer of a 6 figure settlement, would probably fight it to the bitter end in court, before claiming bankruptcy. I wonder if this might have been someone famous for whom 6 figures is expensive but not worth the PR damage?

I think a _ton_ of people would come up with 6 figures if the alternative was jail time. It doesn't have to be cash in the bank -- take out debt, remortgage your house, sell your car, borrow from friends and family, etc.

There is a "hidden", for lack of better word, world of commercial and political pysops most people are never exposed to beyond their social media feeds. Often masked in marketing, but even more so in blanketed initiatives run by individuals (both directly & indirectly affiliated to their organization) who typically find these capabilities more coincidentally than anything... & end up funding private, or even well-presented, analytics firms that engage in an array of trolling-like behavior through even further outsourcing. I mean everyone knows Cambridge Analytica.

Disclaimer - not speaking for myself, employer, or previous work in the armed forces.

Re: Twitter 'troll' to pay six-figure sum

#100
post #2

I'm a fan of free speech, but defamation is one of the limits I agree with. The UK has a stricter framework than the US, but I think these cases should happen in the US too. It's good to see precedent being established for prosecuting those that abuse social media for evil. I'm interested in who the guilty party is in this case. They can afford a six figure penalty and want to remain anonymous.

No, the US gets this right, and this case would be thrown out promptly were it in American jurisdiction (well, presumably - I don't know the extent of the "trolling" since the article is scant on detail, but I assume it's nothing over-the-top or they would have brought it to light to support their case). There's a much higher bar to establish defamation against Public Figures in the US -- as there should be. They are…

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