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Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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I've recently found a (Swiss) shop which has the main business of printing and stitching logos onto bulk shirts, but will happily sell me low volumes of the blank clothes as well. Those do typically have shit quality at bargain prices, but as soon as you pay more than, let's say 10 EUR for a simple shirt, the quality is quite good (certainly better than C&A or most branded merch). That might be an avenue worth invest…

This is exactly what I'm looking for. Would you mind sharing the store? /Also Swiss

Sure! The store is shirt-discount dot ch.

Please mind what I said above though - I've trialed some I can recommend the "B&C Mens V-Neck T-Shirt TRIBLEND" for V-neck shirts and the "Fruit of the Loom Mens Poloshirt PREMIUM" for polos.

Obviously, YMMV.

Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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When production is only motivated by profit, why would any company choose to reduce its profits? That eventually leads to losing to the competition and more consolidation into fewer companies that are ever more ruthless. You’re just observing how capitalism works. It’s why some of us would prefer rationally and democratically planned production motivated by needs.

Are you talking about communism?

I’m talking about socialism, the (long) transition period from capitalism to communism.

Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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post #110

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When production is only motivated by profit, why would any company choose to reduce its profits? That eventually leads to losing to the competition and more consolidation into fewer companies that are ever more ruthless. You’re just observing how capitalism works. It’s why some of us would prefer rationally and democratically planned production motivated by needs.

I think we can have capitalism(-ish) economies without outright exploitation. I don't even think it's necessarily that hard: we already have a powerful government that can step in and say "you're just being evil, quit it". It's just that we choose not to. Actually, recently I've been thinking that our legalistic attitude towards a lot of these problems is actually the core issue. "It's legal so therefore we can do it…

You’re describing social democracy, which was the post-war consensus. As we’ve seen, it decays over time because it is still subject to capitalism’s basic contradictions. The tendency of the rate of profit to fall is not prevented by social democracy.

A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists. Most of the actual problems were and are caused by being under constant siege by capitalist countries.

Socialism is the process of the working class gaining state power and overthrowing the capitalist class. There will still be contradictions and problems, but with planning we at least have a chance to solve them. Leaving it up to markets or the dictatorship of a few capitalists is admitting defeat from the start.

Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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post #110

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I think we can have capitalism(-ish) economies without outright exploitation. I don't even think it's necessarily that hard: we already have a powerful government that can step in and say "you're just being evil, quit it". It's just that we choose not to. Actually, recently I've been thinking that our legalistic attitude towards a lot of these problems is actually the core issue. "It's legal so therefore we can do it…

You’re describing social democracy, which was the post-war consensus. As we’ve seen, it decays over time because it is still subject to capitalism’s basic contradictions. The tendency of the rate of profit to fall is not prevented by social democracy. A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists. Most of the actual problems were and are caused by being under consta…

> A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists. Most of the actual problems were and are caused by being under constant siege by capitalist countries.

The way I'm reading this is that the problems in Stalin Russia, Maoist China, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, North-Korea, etc. was/is caused by capitalist countries. And while these were "the worst of it", the practical implementations in many other countries wasn't exactly great either. I don't know of a single example where it worked well, and that's not for lack of trying.

I'm not sure if this is what you meant. It would help being a bit more concrete.

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post #110

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I think we can have capitalism(-ish) economies without outright exploitation. I don't even think it's necessarily that hard: we already have a powerful government that can step in and say "you're just being evil, quit it". It's just that we choose not to. Actually, recently I've been thinking that our legalistic attitude towards a lot of these problems is actually the core issue. "It's legal so therefore we can do it…

You’re describing social democracy, which was the post-war consensus. As we’ve seen, it decays over time because it is still subject to capitalism’s basic contradictions. The tendency of the rate of profit to fall is not prevented by social democracy. A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists. Most of the actual problems were and are caused by being under consta…

> A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists

That’s...true, but not in the way you seem to intend it. The focus on regimes espousing Leninism and its descendants to typify “socialist countries” as opposed to those following what Marx described (and objected to, but Marx doesn't encompass socialism any more than Lenin does) as “bourgeois socialism” and “democratic socialism” is a pretty big problem, especially when dismissing Western socialist movements, which are mostly in those categories, not Leninism or its derivatives.

Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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post #114

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You’re describing social democracy, which was the post-war consensus. As we’ve seen, it decays over time because it is still subject to capitalism’s basic contradictions. The tendency of the rate of profit to fall is not prevented by social democracy. A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists. Most of the actual problems were and are caused by being under consta…

> A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists. Most of the actual problems were and are caused by being under constant siege by capitalist countries. The way I'm reading this is that the problems in Stalin Russia, Maoist China, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, North-Korea, etc. was/is caused by capitalist countries. And while these were "the worst of it", the practical imple…

The Khmer Rouge weren’t communists, despite what they may have sometimes claimed. Being funded by the CIA is a useful hint. They were also stopped by socialist Vietnam, a second useful hint.

The USSR was actually very successful, especially during Stalin’s time. It went from a semi-feudal country to defeating the Nazis and into space. Eventually it lost the Cold War to the capitalist countries, through infiltration and direct aggression.

All of Eastern Europe was similarly quite successful compared to the conditions from which each country started. Merely ending the periodic environmental famines through industrialisation and collectivisation was a remarkable achievement. My grandparents and parents describe astonishing change in very few years and better conditions overall than today.

China started from an even less developed stage and industrialised very quickly. The material condition of most workers improved greatly, despite the limits imposed by capitalist countries. Later on, other concessions were made so capitalists would no longer block trade and development. And yet the working class is still in control of the state, as we’ve seen during COVID when the state took more direct control of the economy to save lives at the expense of profits.

The DPRK was bombed to an incredible degree by the US, which is still officially at war with it. Despite an almost complete blockade and even losing its socialist trading partners, it persists and to a small extent prospers. Cuba is in a similar position, doing remarkably well despite capitalist aggression.

Vietnam also developed remarkably quickly, despite occupation and a devastating war. Like China, it made concessions to capitalists in order to develop, while workers retain state power as a class.

Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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You’re describing social democracy, which was the post-war consensus. As we’ve seen, it decays over time because it is still subject to capitalism’s basic contradictions. The tendency of the rate of profit to fall is not prevented by social democracy. A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists. Most of the actual problems were and are caused by being under consta…

> A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists That’s...true, but not in the way you seem to intend it. The focus on regimes espousing Leninism and its descendants to typify “socialist countries” as opposed to those following what Marx described (and objected to, but Marx doesn't encompass socialism any more than Lenin does) as “bourgeois socialism” and “democratic…

And yet it’s the Marxist-Leninist revolutions that freed their peoples from imperial occupation and exploitation.

Lenin expanded on Marx, but did not reject his work.

Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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A cotton t-shitt doesn't contain 'chemicals', but a synthetic one is obviously made of microplastic, and it's manufacturing process might produce them and release them .

that statement is false for the majority of cotton clothing. from dyes to preservation or even agents that prevent wrinkles, a new cotton shirt can be blessed with a nice array of potentially carcinogenic substances. and since you mention the manufacturing process: look up some studies on the deaths and environmental havoc caused by pesticides used in cotton production. chemicals are everywhere.

Dyes are meant to be non-toxic, pesticides are super dangerous, but they are meant to decay in a few weeks, I dont know anything aboit wrincle agents.

Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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I'd say things have been heading south for Gap UK shops for the last 10 years and accelerated recently. They have been on a downward quality path for a long time with no apparent strategy. Every time you go back, they have different ranges, so no repeat purchases are even possible. Found something you like and want to buy again? Tough. And the quality got progressively worse. For basics like jeans and t-shirts, I swi…

Muji basically shut down in the US.

Re: Gap to close all 81 stores in UK and Ireland

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post #114

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> A lot of what is commonly believed about socialist countries is in fact propaganda by capitalists. Most of the actual problems were and are caused by being under constant siege by capitalist countries. The way I'm reading this is that the problems in Stalin Russia, Maoist China, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, North-Korea, etc. was/is caused by capitalist countries. And while these were "the worst of it", the practical imple…

The Khmer Rouge weren’t communists, despite what they may have sometimes claimed. Being funded by the CIA is a useful hint. They were also stopped by socialist Vietnam, a second useful hint. The USSR was actually very successful, especially during Stalin’s time. It went from a semi-feudal country to defeating the Nazis and into space. Eventually it lost the Cold War to the capitalist countries, through infiltration a…

> The USSR was actually very successful, especially during Stalin’s time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet...

Curious definition of "success".

Guess that must all be "propaganda" too.

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