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What's It Like To Be Fired?

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Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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to clarify on the reference - i'm assuming she only mean employment history, and I thought employers were only allowed to say the dates of your employment and validate you did work at a company. Also I think you would have to explain to the new company your interviewing the gaps in your employment history, if you didin't list it at all. As for the reference I assume you would ask a person first if you are able to use…

barce doesn't look like a girl on twitter

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looks like a rotation image

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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One was the grounds under which I would receive severance... She was fired from a startup and received a severance ? Does that ever happen these days?

Yes, this happens. I'm speaking anonymously here, so take my word for it if you care to, but I know of 2 specific instances in 2 YC companies where employees received 2-3 months severance. There is another recent case (non-yc company) where severance took the form of high single digit vested equity for a not-gelling founder.

Particularly with founder or near-founder departures, fair severance can be used to keep a company legally covered down the road. Consider if Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss had just been paid back in the day.

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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I once got fired for giving my boss the advice to "shred" their drive (it was their last day). Someone overheard this incorrectly and thought that I said "on my last day, that I'd shred all the companies drives". It was my word against his and company's revenues were down significantly. They put me on non-paid leave and a week later when they "investigated" the matter, they fired me, but by then I had new a job with…

I agree. Never have been outcast from the tech community. Actually the opposite. People reached to me about possible leads.

If you network properly when you have a job (and otherwise don't need something from people), usually they are willing to help you out. Build your network before you need it.

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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FWIW there are some similarities with getting a bad review in a large bureaucratic company (I know for HN readers this either doesn't apply, or they wish it didn't!), one common thread that I would emphasize is that even if the headline reason for the firing or crappy review (FOCR) is complete BS or political or whatever, there is very likely something that you did have control over that either precipitated the FOCR or created an excuse for it, but the immediate shame/rage/pain of the whole FOCR may make that hard to see. Expect to need to sit on the experience for several years before the full value to you can be gleaned. Having been through this in a couple of guises I have definitely learned some real lessons about both myself and the behaviour of teams, managers, and companies.

I suspect the same can be true for some startup failures... maybe in my next adventure I will find out.

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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I can't believe how much more serious everything seems to be in the States.

Is this story just exaggerated or is it really this bad? I've never personally been fired but having job opportunities being so severely limited due to being fired once seems like an impossibility in Australia.

I'd say that if you got fired over here you'd even quite likely be able to use the employer as a reference (unless you did something totally horrible)

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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post #15

I can't believe how much more serious everything seems to be in the States. Is this story just exaggerated or is it really this bad? I've never personally been fired but having job opportunities being so severely limited due to being fired once seems like an impossibility in Australia. I'd say that if you got fired over here you'd even quite likely be able to use the employer as a reference (unless you did something…

I don't know about firing, but certainly getting laid-off is really looked down on, regardless of circumstances. I've heard that employers do significant background checks now. Low credit scores are a red flag. Arrests are also a red flag. Not convictions, but arrests.

The social thing sounded a bit weird to me. But then, most of the people I've worked with either base their social scene around their work, or around something else (e.g. church). If you're not in one of those groups, you'll simply find yourself growing ever more distant.

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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post #8

One was the grounds under which I would receive severance... She was fired from a startup and received a severance ? Does that ever happen these days?

Yes, this happens. I'm speaking anonymously here, so take my word for it if you care to, but I know of 2 specific instances in 2 YC companies where employees received 2-3 months severance. There is another recent case (non-yc company) where severance took the form of high single digit vested equity for a not-gelling founder. Particularly with founder or near-founder departures, fair severance can be used to keep a co…

The Winklevi were never involved with facebook, though. You could say that of Saverin, but not them.

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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post #11

to clarify on the reference - i'm assuming she only mean employment history, and I thought employers were only allowed to say the dates of your employment and validate you did work at a company. Also I think you would have to explain to the new company your interviewing the gaps in your employment history, if you didin't list it at all. As for the reference I assume you would ask a person first if you are able to use…

barce doesn't look like a girl on twitter http://www.codebelay.com/blog/wp-content/themes/thesis_18/cu... looks like a rotation image

Confirmed as male, not that it really matters.

https://foursquare.com/barce/checkin/4e20c74918a88345f044a31...

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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He should have negotiated a positive-to-neutral fact-based reference (good reviews, verification of salary, departure by his volition-- a revision-of-fact but one that companies will usually support) in the severance process. Chances are, he would have gotten it. This would have mitigated the career damage and gotten him a good job much sooner.

Remember that a severance offer is a starting point. If the only thing you want to add in negotiation is something that doesn't cost the company money-- good reference and a revision of the record to say you left voluntarily-- they'll usually give it, unless you did something illegal and they're afraid to give you a good referral for liability reasons.

Getting fired is something that happens to a lot of good people... for all kinds of bizarre and stupid reasons. I wouldn't mention it, as a general policy, but I really doubt that he couldn't find a job because he was fired. He probably became insecure and that did him in. He probably was also too loose-lipped about his feelings toward the previous employer, which is even more damaging because even if a past employer is terrible, one shouldn't let it on in an interview.

"Persona non grata" in the tech community after a job goes bad... that's just bizarre. In my experience, people familiar with startups are the most forgiving of jobs that went bad or ended suddenly, for the obvious reason that a lot of startups fail.

Re: What's It Like To Be Fired?

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He should have negotiated a positive-to-neutral fact-based reference (good reviews, verification of salary, departure by his volition-- a revision-of-fact but one that companies will usually support) in the severance process. Chances are, he would have gotten it. This would have mitigated the career damage and gotten him a good job much sooner. Remember that a severance offer is a starting point. If the only thing yo…

Could you go into more detail about how to ask for these sorts of things and what extras you might throw in so you have something you can cut when negotiating?

This strikes me as the sort of thing I should have prepared in advance, just in case. Should I ever be fired for cause I expect I'll be too upset to think about what to ask for and how to say it so I better work out the basics now.

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