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The most precious resource is agency

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Re: The most precious resource is agency

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> After a time all children spot this fakeness, and all honest educators note it Really? Math is useless? English is useless? History is useless? If an educator can't articulate why you are learning something, they are a BAD educator. Math is useless--until you start trading on Robin Hood and can't calculate the financial implications of turning over your stocks that fast. English is useless--until you are standing i…

You have some values stated for these lessons, but I have a hard time imagining a teacher finding ways to bridge the gap with a student or the class & make seen these somewhat adult perspectives.

This last is way off in the weeds, but formenting insurrection is often a noble & virtuous thing, change often is direly necessary or more worsely overdue. There is a huge amount of fumbling & failing that often prevents good execution, that ruins follow through, & we see in history so many pendulums of society swinging & counter-swinging wildly around one another: this is purely my personal opinion, but I for one don't de-rate the attempts just because it keeps being really really hard (& often woefully mis-done!!). I think the effort to try is gloriously humanistic, challenges be damned. No, hungry for the challenge, the chance to improve. An agency of last & too often necessary resort.

What I would judge might-be insurrectionists on though is their cause. It's easy for groups to be riled up, to let one's group escalate itself rapidly towards inssurectionist climax, to mantle oneselves with cause. Whether you search for some objectively worthy (legible) truth or cause is important. Having a strong epistemic basis is important.

I liked almost nothing about what has recently happened & I think we probably agree a lot about how history isn't/might-not-be useless, & that modern times have shown some real grade-A fuck ups vis-a-vie that all. But still, it feels important to me to not condemn insurrection so widely. As a communist, it certainly seems like insurrection remains necessary. Outcomes haven't been good but the revolutionary spirit dwells in all our hearts, amid the beautiful, high-agency/highest-agency better-possible selves we might have had in us.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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One of the biggest tragedies isn't just that the childhood is wasted, but that many people never learn to have agency once it is available. I'm not saying you need to start your own business or anything like that, but it seems like most people live their lives never questioning the scripts that are given to them. The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically…

> The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically about it.

On the flip side, if you step outside the bubble of comfort that Western society generally affords people, you'll find that life is "nasty, brutish & short" as Hobbes put it.

We've come a very very long way in a short time towards raising our standard of living and our expectations for what our lives can be - especially for regular folk from humble beginnings who aren't born into huge advantages.

Not to say that we can't improve things further for Western society, but just to say that the script we are generally given is pretty damn good compared to historical averages.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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This is a good and important essay. I was crazy-lucky, being born at a time and place when kids could be left alone to build stuff and play with real technics when still young. I built hovercraft, rockets, ballistic devices, and hacked with vacuum tubes and transistors and tesla coils and radios and early computer stuff. It was wonderful. Oh, and biotech, too. All before high-school. Now in my sixties, but still like a crazy kid with tech. The tech helped me learn the complex stuff - the math - but it also taught me early I could get help/assistance and better faster results working with smart people. Doing - not just reading about it - but doing it and testing and trying again, and failing and then nailing success - this is so powerful and good. We got airplane crazy for a while - and I built no-airfoil Laminar winged models which flew fine. There were no video games - we built stuff and hacked it and sometimes had accidents... But I learned most of what I needed to know in life doing - doing and failing and fixing and then getting it to work.. This is the algo for life. You will have silly setbacks and make awful boneheaded mistakes - but when DOING you learn quick that nothing is final. If you didnt get killed, you can try again. I never heard this called "agency". But doing - and learning to think, and plan, and then act, and then evaluate - this is really key. Many folks who just write and talk - they never experience true harsh failure of the system. But nature is a really good teacher. She shows clear truth - and you can learn just by keeping your eyes and brain open - and remain curious and driven to know the why and the how. The studio is maybe the kitchen table, or the basement. And maybe the library and Google and DuckDuckGo. But build something. Build a car. Build a go-cart or a rocket. Build a working computer from a bag of parts bought online from Mouser or Digikey. Build a working fusion-generator ( you can buy "lecture bottles" of non-radioactive deuterium. ) Learn to program, and hack together a working version of mplayer from source code, and get it running on a Linux box, and listen to streaming Radio Caroline (the original pirate-radio in the UK from the beginning of open-source hardware). The author here is wise,and makes a very key point. DO something - MAKE something - pull together the bits and pieces of stuff and knowledge that transform nature and get her working for you - instead of you being a slave to her. I remember school was pretty awful... It had to be endured. And it interfered with my experiments. :) I built a TEA laser in my basement. You need a DC power supply, and a bunch of stuff you can buy at Staples - plastic sheets, aluminum foil, etc. It was first written up in Scientific American in 1974. And I also built software machines to hack the markets. To my great surprise, they seem to work. If a dullard like me can do it - any sufficiently motivated person can. :) Do things and make things. You will learn skills that can be used to make the things you want to happen, actually happen. Good essay. - Russel F.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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One of the biggest tragedies isn't just that the childhood is wasted, but that many people never learn to have agency once it is available. I'm not saying you need to start your own business or anything like that, but it seems like most people live their lives never questioning the scripts that are given to them. The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically…

I suspect we are all the prisoners of long-dead economists. Their ideas of people as atomic resources were useful abstractions in some ways (I agree with the point below that their work has led to great material prosperity), but they have also influenced entire generations of overly bureaucratic and inhumane policies. People are treated as "things" to be "managed," and as a consequence they develop learned helplessness.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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One of the biggest tragedies isn't just that the childhood is wasted, but that many people never learn to have agency once it is available. I'm not saying you need to start your own business or anything like that, but it seems like most people live their lives never questioning the scripts that are given to them. The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically…

For all but the last ~150 years or so of human existence, meaning and purpose came almost exclusively from (1) raising a family and (2) religion. I think the cruelest tragedy of modernity is that we no longer teach our children that life can actually be quite rewarding and fulfilling outside of one’s profession.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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One of the biggest tragedies isn't just that the childhood is wasted, but that many people never learn to have agency once it is available. I'm not saying you need to start your own business or anything like that, but it seems like most people live their lives never questioning the scripts that are given to them. The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically…

I went and did the other side, living nontraditionally and trying to be what I wanted.

I just applied for a regular job. Because to be honest, it’s gonna be pretty sweet having a fat bank account, even if it’ll take till I’m 50 to have FU money.

My current hypothesis is that the team is all that matters. The work can be the most boring, crud-type work. As long as you’re working with people you like on something vaguely interesting, who cares?

20yo me would be mortified to hear myself say this, but the chances of either of us influencing the world is quite small. I’m happy I threw all of my effort into doing something I wanted, but my honest answer is that you’re not really missing out on much.

Relax and enjoy yourself. Most days, I end up wishing I’d had kids 5 years ago. It was nice to prioritize myself, but you can’t prioritize a family you never focused on building.

(I had no idea I even wanted a family or that it was important to me until about… 29?)

I guess my point is, the “relax and enjoy yourself” mentality isn’t so bad. No one will probably remember us the way they’ll remember pg. But I’ve helped thousands of devs directly, whether in DMs or by contributing code, and I think I only care whether those folks might remember me.

So that’s the area you can really make an impact: on the people around you, in your day to day life.

Maybe I’ll wake up in a few years and realize this is a terrible mistake, but that seems unlikely.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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One of the biggest tragedies isn't just that the childhood is wasted, but that many people never learn to have agency once it is available. I'm not saying you need to start your own business or anything like that, but it seems like most people live their lives never questioning the scripts that are given to them. The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically…

I suspect we are all the prisoners of long-dead economists. Their ideas of people as atomic resources were useful abstractions in some ways (I agree with the point below that their work has led to great material prosperity), but they have also influenced entire generations of overly bureaucratic and inhumane policies. People are treated as "things" to be "managed," and as a consequence they develop learned helplessne…

Economics is the new god, the god of materialism. At some point in the 20th century we decided that material prosperity is really all you need for a happy and healthy society. Doesn’t seem to be working out so well…

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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One of the biggest tragedies isn't just that the childhood is wasted, but that many people never learn to have agency once it is available. I'm not saying you need to start your own business or anything like that, but it seems like most people live their lives never questioning the scripts that are given to them. The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically…

This is the argument Hubert Dreyfuss advances to postulate Artificial General Intelligence can never be achieved - because computers are not “in the world.”

> One of the leading critics was the philosopher Hubert Dreyfus, who argued that computers, who have no body, no childhood and no cultural practice, could not acquire intelligence at all.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-020-0494-4

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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For an article focused on the benefits of agency, the author sure seems to ignore agency on behalf of parents and people to decide how to make space for their kids. Modern education is no more a trap for the gifted than it is a vehicle to produce mediocrity. Greatness and mediocrity are products of what happens around school. The reality is that most folks aren’t Da Vinci or Steve Jobs. And in the case of those people, they found a way.

If the author preaches agency, stop pretending like you don’t have the agency to “just” be as the system asks.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

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My first child is due any day now and I’ve been thinking a lot about the central problems presented in this article. But I don’t know what to do about them. Should I keep my son home with me, allocate mornings to academics and afternoons to more practical endeavors? Should I teach him to cook? To garden? To build cabinets? To train a dog? To do his taxes? Should I send him to public school but supplement his learning…

You should let your child have lots and lots of freedom to do whatever he wants, even if that is often watching television or whatever. Ideally you would have a lot of outdoor places for him to roam --- whether that be a large amount of land that you live on or just a green neighborhood.

This is based on my own experience, because I was allowed to manage my free time. When I got out of school, I had a chore or two, but the rest of the evening was mine to manage. (I was expected to do my homework at some point, though, and make decent grades. In fact I made A's and B's.) But the rest of the time I watched about 2-3 hours of TV, drew a lot, jumped on the trampoline, and in general ran around outside (We lived on five acres).

My parents never sent me to summer camp. The summer was mine. They never made me take piano lessons or join the boy scouts. Nothing.

I graduated magna cum laude, started my own business (which failed) then pivoted to a completely different field (web programming) and taught myself everything, through books, blogs, etc. That was 15 years ago and professionally speaking, I lead a very stable life.

When I hear about today's children being shuttled from school to one extracurricular activity or another, where they have very little unstructured time, I scream on the inside on their behalf. I've known a handful of adults who were homeschooled, and most of them have turned out very poorly. They basically are walking time bombs: quiet and obedient through childhood, then they get out of the house and explode.

As my mother wisely said, "Kids need to be kids." (We had a very strong religious teaching, however, in my household --- firm but not oppressive. I ascribe my own acceptance of that teaching as a key reason I did not just squander all that freedom on drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll. But most of all, I felt very, very loved and accepted as a person, even if I were to screw up royally.)

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