Live data from Hacker News

The most precious resource is agency

simonsarris.substack.com

11–20 of 340 posts

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#11
> After a time all children spot this fakeness, and all honest educators note it

Really? Math is useless? English is useless? History is useless?

If an educator can't articulate why you are learning something, they are a BAD educator.

Math is useless--until you start trading on Robin Hood and can't calculate the financial implications of turning over your stocks that fast.

English is useless--until you are standing in front of a judge and don't have enough literacy to understand that what got written down on the official paperwork isn't what the judge ruled.

History is useless--until you have a President fomenting an insurrection and you join in because you never studied what happens to 99% of all insurrections.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#12
post #7

This article resonated with me, as someone who felt the fixed tracks of school often held me back and wasted my time with busy work like random craft projects or homework that didn't further my understanding. It's all lost time that I'll never get back, that I could have spent in some alternate way. Hell, even just spending more time with my parents living our life together would have been great. Instead, childhood f…

Note that discouraging car ownership—and instead encouraging cycling with safe infrastructure, like the Netherlands has been doing for the last 50 years—actually dramatically increases independence for both children and adults: https://thecityateyelevel.com/stories/biking-the-streets-to-...

Thanks for sharing. Some of what that article outlines resonates with me, and reflecting on what I see today, it does seem odd that there aren't as many children out on bicycles. However, I also was able to have the same freedoms of being able to bike around as a child (without parental supervision) in a car-centric setting. That may be because I lived in the suburbs and not some very dense urban center, but my point is it doesn't have to be a binary choice.

As an adult, the type of agency I derive from cars is slightly different. It's about being able to go where I want quickly, without the waiting times of public transit or slow speeds of a bicycle. It's about being able to put that faster travel time to use, by spending the new free time on other activities. For example I can run errands, manage children, meet with a friend, and go to the movies all in one day thanks to the magic of a personal car. And when I go out of town, a car lets me go wherever I want with nearly endless freedom only limited by availability of road infrastructure, while moving the cargo (and people) I want with me at those destinations.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#14

> Do children today have useful childhoods? Well articulated. I always felt a visceral sense that childhood, the school world, and even arguably college for many feels like we're being kept in some weird pin sequestered from the real world. As the author shows with early examples, this is not how it's ever been in human societies (as a default for everyone) prior to the last 100 years. Could this be thought of as a m…

Yes, of course.

School that our western society has created quite recently exists for the purpose of keeping children off the labor market.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#15
I think I found school tolerable, or even fun, because I was able to figure out the proper way to exercise agency within the confines of the system.

As an analogy, as a kid when I played with Lego or K'NEX, my favorite thing to do was not assemble kits but instead come up with my own designs from the parts therein. Working within the system, but being a creator rather than a consumer.

At school, I wasn't just trying to learn the material they wanted me to know, I was also trying to reverse-engineer the tasks asked of me to figure out what the teachers most wanted.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#16
> It seems that the more you ask of people, and the more you have them do, the more they are able to later do on their own.

This is almost so self-evident as to be banal… and yet this fundamental observation about humans is roundly ignored and outright rejected by most institutions charged with educating our children.

This essay feels like it could’ve come straight from John Holt or John Taylor Gatto—highly recommended.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#17
post #8

This article did a great job of articulating something I've always felt strongly about but haven't been able to put into words. I'm sure I'm not the only one who felt like my schooling was mostly a giant waste of my time and energy. I was waaaay ahead in subjects I liked, because those things I learned myself out of innate interest. Rather than the system accommodating and encouraging being ahead, in those subjects I…

Daycare. The point is that school is, first and foremost, a daycare. All the talk about education is just marketing.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#18
One of the biggest tragedies isn't just that the childhood is wasted, but that many people never learn to have agency once it is available. I'm not saying you need to start your own business or anything like that, but it seems like most people live their lives never questioning the scripts that are given to them.

The basic life script we all seem to have in western society seems pretty awful when you think critically about it. Essentially we waste all out vitality and youth making other people rich, so that one day when we're old and infirm, we can finally do the things we like with the short time we have left. I think most of us never even think about it because it's too bleak of a reality. I feel somewhat fortunate in that the work I do is something I would generally enjoy doing even if I wasn't being paid for it, but I still have a nagging fear that what I could be is much more than what I am yet I lack the proper tools and perspectives to become that person (and I don't think that just starting my own business, like a lot of people here want to do, is really sufficient, it's just a small part of inventing your own life script).

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#19
post #11

> After a time all children spot this fakeness, and all honest educators note it Really? Math is useless? English is useless? History is useless? If an educator can't articulate why you are learning something, they are a BAD educator. Math is useless--until you start trading on Robin Hood and can't calculate the financial implications of turning over your stocks that fast. English is useless--until you are standing i…

School != the subjects supposedly taught in school. Anyone can learn math, writing and history from any number of sources. The author’s point, which you clearly missed, is that school often attempts to impart these subjects in a manner that is completely divorced from where and how they are used in real life. The student is a vessel to be passively filled with knowledge, rather than a willing participant.

Re: The most precious resource is agency

#20
My first child is due any day now and I’ve been thinking a lot about the central problems presented in this article. But I don’t know what to do about them. Should I keep my son home with me, allocate mornings to academics and afternoons to more practical endeavors? Should I teach him to cook? To garden? To build cabinets? To train a dog? To do his taxes? Should I send him to public school but supplement his learning with what I believe he should learn, topics like statistics and probability and finance? Should I teach him Latin? JavaScript?

I personally feel like I am capable of providing an “agentic” education but I almost certainly won’t have the time nor the persuasive powers to convince a (hopefully) rebellious 7 year old that, say, grammar matters and gardening is dope. Seeking any suggestions.

Post reply on HN