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Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

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Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish that our government (the people who allowed them to be the middle man) would take some accountability. But I guess that would be uncharacteristic.

Citizens voted these people in, the blames lies with the electorate.

They get elected on one thing and do another. They should be held liable for misleading their base at the very least. Also misinformation and propaganda is rampant so it's very difficult to make educated decisions, now more than ever.

Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#102

Given how much H&R Block and Intuit have unethically and corruptly leeched from the government and the taxpayers directly, I think the should literally be nationalized and have their tax software platforms absorbed into the IRS. Their company activities over the last few decades are so flagrantly, indisputably bad for the country. There's literally no upside, none at all. They have intentionally sabotaged tax filing…

> should literally be nationalized Political note: calls for nationalisation, in American politics, is a gift to the other side. It lets one paint the opposition as extremists without grounding in U.S. Constitutional law or the economic history of countries that regularly expropriate property. I get the impulse. But literally any other phrasing—massive fines, criminal prosecution, open-licensing requirements, et cete…

Allowing “nationalization” to remain a dirty word (and not “privatization”) is a much bigger gift.

Why should it be off the table? Does the average person even give a shit about the public/private status of Intuit? I get conservatives will complain but they will (and do) literally call ANY improvement to the IRS Communism. Is the hope that if you play language games they’ll see the light?

Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#103

Already said in this thread, but I think it's ridiculous that when people think about abusive big tech, they never think about Intuit. Their business is literally the idea of creating friction in federal and local tax systems so they can extort people in exchange of removing some of those synthetic frictions (emphasis on "some"). A sinister business model in every possible way.

The monopoly is the government though, not Intuit...There is no way you can argue that Intuit has monopoly power over government!

Have your heard about a little thing called lobbying.

https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-turbotax-20-year-f...

Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#104

Given how much H&R Block and Intuit have unethically and corruptly leeched from the government and the taxpayers directly, I think the should literally be nationalized and have their tax software platforms absorbed into the IRS. Their company activities over the last few decades are so flagrantly, indisputably bad for the country. There's literally no upside, none at all. They have intentionally sabotaged tax filing…

Every weird tax rule that makes your tax filing harder is a tax break for someone and that person will fight to keep it.

Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#105

What should I use to file my taxes if I want to move away from TurboTax?

I've had great luck with freetaxusa.com, personally. I've been using them to file taxes for like, 10 years now. E-filing the federal tax form is free, and state tax form is only like $14 I think, really cheap, and the website does a good job taking you through it step by step in an easy to understand way.

Yeah, I use FreeTaxUSA also. It doesn’t have all the integrations that Turbo Tax et al. have, so you have to spend a bit more time manually entering your figures, but I had no issues.

You can also double check the numbers if you want by going through another service like Turbo Tax but stopping before the payment step.

Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But listen to my argument, I’m willing to pay to have an easier time filing my taxes. I’m not going to use IRS’s tool if it doesn’t make it a painless process like TurboTax. So I ask again, will the IRS make a painless tool? If the answer is yes, but Intuit is lobbying them not to, then I understand your point. If it’s just about free vs non-free, I could care less. Filing taxes or filling out anything for the govern…

The problem isn't that the IRS won't make a painless tool. The issue is that Intuit actively works to make sure the tax code stays as complicated as possible. Ideally the tax code is so simple that complicated tools aren't necessary for your average filer.

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Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#107

Already said in this thread, but I think it's ridiculous that when people think about abusive big tech, they never think about Intuit. Their business is literally the idea of creating friction in federal and local tax systems so they can extort people in exchange of removing some of those synthetic frictions (emphasis on "some"). A sinister business model in every possible way.

Don’t forget the CPA trade associations who are right there with them lobbying for the same nonsense tax complexity.

Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The monopoly is the government though, not Intuit...There is no way you can argue that Intuit has monopoly power over government!

Have your heard about a little thing called lobbying. https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-turbotax-20-year-f...

Lobbying is a fact of life in a democracy. For any government regulation, law, program, etc. there are multitudes of lobby groups on all sides of each issue. Why in this case is this such a big unethical crime? Lots of government programs are inefficient and expensive due to interest groups - that will never ever change. Welcome to Democracy.

Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#109

Given how much H&R Block and Intuit have unethically and corruptly leeched from the government and the taxpayers directly, I think the should literally be nationalized and have their tax software platforms absorbed into the IRS. Their company activities over the last few decades are so flagrantly, indisputably bad for the country. There's literally no upside, none at all. They have intentionally sabotaged tax filing…

> should literally be nationalized Political note: calls for nationalisation, in American politics, is a gift to the other side. It lets one paint the opposition as extremists without grounding in U.S. Constitutional law or the economic history of countries that regularly expropriate property. I get the impulse. But literally any other phrasing—massive fines, criminal prosecution, open-licensing requirements, et cete…

Because as we all know, privatization never leads to perverse incentives and anti-competitive or anti-consumer behavior. Just look at the American telecom industry, which is famous for high satisfaction and low prices with no price fixing, tying, market segmentation, or any other cartel-like behavior to be seen.

Re: Intuit sabotages the Child Tax Credit

#110
> When I say "sabotaged," I'm not speaking hyperbolically. The tax-prep industry, led by Intuit, led the fight for 20 years, with their cultlike leader Brad Smith at the forefront of a bribery and intimidation campaign.

I just finished reading the Snowden article about conspiracy practice, and this is a stark example of it. A group of people acting against the democratic interest, subverting the legal and political system to their interests, and leaving the public feeling powerless.

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