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Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

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I think people wrong associate high pay with bad WLB at top paying tech companies

I’ve wondered about this myself - might you have any more information or be able to point me/us to any particularly good data sources?

It's not going be to complied into data sources or research papers.

You simply have to experience or hear second hand.

Or just go to teamblind.com and ask people's experiences

Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

#52

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I mean, I'll be honest, I make around 50k in a non tech job in a low cost of living area.i really don't want for anything. Maybe I just don't like really expensive toys, but anything I want, I buy. I go on nice vacations in country, plenty of wilderness around me. I don't have to look at receipts or bills before paying them and I never think about my bank account. I'm really totally unsure what making 500k instead wo…

Financial Independence is a big thing. (Not just retire) Do you have kids? Have you thought about generational wealth? These are the things that are in people's minds. If you want to understand more visit subreddits like /r/FIRE or /r/bogelheads or /r/personalfinance?

I don't really want kids, thankfully. I can see how that would be an issue if I did though, true.

Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

#53
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We think of data points on our platform as snapshots of salaries in time. Currently, we ask for the last reported year of compensation which would include stock appreciation. You can distinguish this on our compensation page by filtering the "Years at Company" field: https://levels.fyi/comp.html?showFilters When the Years at Company field is 0 it is a new offer.

The problem is that right on your front page I see that the estimated annual comp for a G6 engineer at Google is expected to be $226,673 salary/$212,061 stock/$50,939 bonus. The stock portion, however, includes both brand new offers and those which have benefited from many years of appreciation, making the number effectively meaningless. Even after digging in, there is no way on the site to restrict it to only new of…

I just look at the date.

Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

#54
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We think of data points on our platform as snapshots of salaries in time. Currently, we ask for the last reported year of compensation which would include stock appreciation. You can distinguish this on our compensation page by filtering the "Years at Company" field: https://levels.fyi/comp.html?showFilters When the Years at Company field is 0 it is a new offer.

The problem is that right on your front page I see that the estimated annual comp for a G6 engineer at Google is expected to be $226,673 salary/$212,061 stock/$50,939 bonus. The stock portion, however, includes both brand new offers and those which have benefited from many years of appreciation, making the number effectively meaningless. Even after digging in, there is no way on the site to restrict it to only new of…

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Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

#55
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We think of data points on our platform as snapshots of salaries in time. Currently, we ask for the last reported year of compensation which would include stock appreciation. You can distinguish this on our compensation page by filtering the "Years at Company" field: https://levels.fyi/comp.html?showFilters When the Years at Company field is 0 it is a new offer.

The problem is that right on your front page I see that the estimated annual comp for a G6 engineer at Google is expected to be $226,673 salary/$212,061 stock/$50,939 bonus. The stock portion, however, includes both brand new offers and those which have benefited from many years of appreciation, making the number effectively meaningless. Even after digging in, there is no way on the site to restrict it to only new of…

Yeah definitely, we're working on improving the home page experience since that's what a lot of people land on initially. It's balance of keeping it simple vs having way too many options.

But we do have several other pages where you can dig deeper and filter into specific data points, for example for Google L6 new offers in the last year: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Software%20Engineer&s...

Also another page with a better salary range chart to show some of the distribution: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi...

Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

#56
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Yes many of the top tech companies are now hiring across Europe (and in fact have been). Ex. https://eng.lyft.com/introducing-lyft-engineering-kyiv-2884d... Salaries are definitely adjusted. To get a feel for salaries: - https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Netherland... - https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Ukraine/ - https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/London/

But isn't it like that e.g EU branch of $FAANG company does less cool stuff? e.g Google EU does CRUDs and maintains GCP meanwhile cool stuff is being done in MV?

Google Zurich is the European research hub. They do a lot of very cool stuff, particularly mobile deep learning. Salaries are commensurate with the Bay Area, but Switzerland is as if not more expensive (though arguably higher standard of living than SF). Zurich in particular gets a lot of engineering talent out of places like ETH.

Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

#57

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Correct, this what I understand. Before the remote workplace, they were just too comfy in their location to think about locating to the limited tech cities where these salaries are being paid

I mean, I'll be honest, I make around 50k in a non tech job in a low cost of living area.i really don't want for anything. Maybe I just don't like really expensive toys, but anything I want, I buy. I go on nice vacations in country, plenty of wilderness around me. I don't have to look at receipts or bills before paying them and I never think about my bank account. I'm really totally unsure what making 500k instead wo…

At 50k you can easily provide for one maybe two people, but at higher salaries you can support a larger family (aging parents, children, relatives) and create generational wealth.

Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

#58

Why is stock such a big portion of compensation for the big tech companies?

If the company has a few good quarters of stock appreciation, your employees are now effectively tied in ("golden handcuffs") and will not be able to get matching offers elsewhere.

Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

#59

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I think people wrong associate high pay with bad WLB at top paying tech companies

I’ve wondered about this myself - might you have any more information or be able to point me/us to any particularly good data sources?

As someone in the latter category (and whose network is in the same category) I don't see much of a correlation.

Re: We're Levels.fyi, the most accurate resource for tech salaries, ask us anything

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Yup the higher you go in level, the larger your stock compensation is to tie you to company growth and align incentives. A company that's the exception to this is Netflix: https://www.levels.fyi/company/Netflix/salaries/Software-Eng... They have one level and pay all cash with an option to convert some of it to equity.

I thought Netflix let you pick the exact split between cash and equity no? For example, for a 500k salary you could say, I want 200k cash, and 300k in stock

Something doesn't add up here.

Levels is showing that the average senior engineer at Netflix is only getting $11k stock though. If employees were allowed to choose what percentage stock they wanted, I'd expect most employees to choose a larger percentage than that.

Stock is likely to grow in value over the course of the year while cash is almost guaranteed to lose value due to inflation. You'd have to be pretty pessimistic about Netflix's future to choose the all-cash option. And even if you're only neutral about it, the stock is the better choice because it's inflation protected.

If I were a Netflix employee, I'd probably choose $200k cash, $300k stock. The fact that levels is reporting such wildly different numbers tells me employees don't actually have that level of freedom to control their comp.

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