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Re: Bob's Game

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Post by ddtaylor »

jart wrote: post #32
ddtaylor wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any forks of his code, it's the first result for searching for the repo on GitHub. In either case, I do believe once the source code to something has been released it's fair to continue to archive it.

Did you bring the security vulnerabilities you discovered to his attention before disclosing them on hacker news? Regardless of what you think is fair it's pretty clear you aren't acting with his best interests in mind.

Full disclosure is the most responsible disclosure.

Re: Bob's Game

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Post by meibo »

ddtaylor wrote: post #7

Repo: https://github.com/bobsgame/bobsgame/ (deleted, see edit below) I looked at it a few weeks back and it's really strange. It has really weird restrictions that don't make any sense regarding the license - I'm not even sure if they even are legal. The author claims he is sharing the source but that nobody else can fork it, unless they fork it on GitHub?! Anyhow, within a few seconds of reading the source you'll f…

HTTP/unsigned patches are frighteningly common in the video game world.

One of the major MMOs doesn't do either and has some other nasty stuff like easily stealable login tokens over the network.

Re: Bob's Game

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Post by jonny_eh »

duxup wrote: post #38

This kinda seems like just someone throwing a fit that Nintendo didn't give them an SDK / support their game? There's more to making a game than just making the code and hoping someone supports your efforts. From the wikipedia page, I don't find the story all that sympathetic, at least as far as vs Nintendo. Story seems more like one of a troll or mental illness, and kinda sad.

The sad/hopeful thing is that if this were to occur today, they'd likely have a much easier chance to publish on the Switch (or PS4/5 or Xbox). The big platforms have really loosened up access to their stores and SDKs.

Re: Bob's Game

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Post by duxup »

jonny_eh wrote: post #43
duxup wrote: post #38

This kinda seems like just someone throwing a fit that Nintendo didn't give them an SDK / support their game? There's more to making a game than just making the code and hoping someone supports your efforts. From the wikipedia page, I don't find the story all that sympathetic, at least as far as vs Nintendo. Story seems more like one of a troll or mental illness, and kinda sad.

The sad/hopeful thing is that if this were to occur today, they'd likely have a much easier chance to publish on the Switch (or PS4/5 or Xbox). The big platforms have really loosened up access to their stores and SDKs.

Agreed, better chance to publish.

Although, not sure what would get published, there's not much of a game that anyone has ever seen according to the posts on HN.

Not sure access to an SDK was really the biggest challenge.

Re: Bob's Game

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #11

from his website it seems like his protest might have caused him to lose his grip on reality... https://bobsgame.com/ or perhaps a mental illness was what caused him to lock himself in his room for a 100 days in the first place

Oh wow, that smells a lot like Terry A. Davis v2.0. I'm looking forward to HolyC++.

Re: Bob's Game

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Post by arduinomancer »

umvi wrote: post #31

Wikipedia only touches on the true madness of the thing. See: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bobsgame/bobs-game Highlights: > Developed from scratch in C and completely rewritten in Java as an MMO, as far as I can tell, "bob's game" may still be one of the largest games (if not the largest) by one person! > "bob's game" is a game about a puzzle game called 'bob's game,' developed within the game by the virtual…

This feels a lot like reading about TempleOS

Re: Bob's Game

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Post by bogwog »

duxup wrote: post #38

This kinda seems like just someone throwing a fit that Nintendo didn't give them an SDK / support their game? There's more to making a game than just making the code and hoping someone supports your efforts. From the wikipedia page, I don't find the story all that sympathetic, at least as far as vs Nintendo. Story seems more like one of a troll or mental illness, and kinda sad.

I don't think that's a fair assessment. If it is mental illness, it's probably the same illness that leads people to become independent artists in the first place.

He mentioned that he got an offer to work for Nintendo and lead his own team by a rep at GDC, but he turned it down because he didn't understand what they were offering him. I could 100% believe that because I could 100% see myself doing the same thing.

He also later said that the ridiculous behavior was all a viral marketing stunt gone wrong, which, again, I 100% believe because I could see myself...maybe not actually doing it, but certainly coming up with a similar idea to get attention for the project I worked so hard on.

IMO the best thing for him to do is lay low until everyone forgets about him, so that he can release his game in the future, maybe under a different title. Although that might be hard because it seems the Youtube documentary crowd has started to shine a spotlight on him recently (that's how I learned about this guy a few weeks ago)

Also, he did release a game titled "Bob's Game" on Steam, but it was a puzzle game rather than an RPG. I think the idea was that the RPG told the story of a game developer named Bob who was working on a game, and the game he released was the game developed by the Bob character in the RPG. It's a pretty cool concept, and I really hope this guy gets around to releasing the full thing some day.

Re: Bob's Game

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Post by bogwog »

jonny_eh wrote: post #43
duxup wrote: post #38

This kinda seems like just someone throwing a fit that Nintendo didn't give them an SDK / support their game? There's more to making a game than just making the code and hoping someone supports your efforts. From the wikipedia page, I don't find the story all that sympathetic, at least as far as vs Nintendo. Story seems more like one of a troll or mental illness, and kinda sad.

The sad/hopeful thing is that if this were to occur today, they'd likely have a much easier chance to publish on the Switch (or PS4/5 or Xbox). The big platforms have really loosened up access to their stores and SDKs.

> The big platforms have really loosened up access to their stores and SDKs.

If by "the big platforms" you mean Nintendo and Xbox, then yes. Sony is still as shitty about it as ever.

The only difference today is that it's certainly easier to find a publisher who has an SDK, so you don't have to apply for one yourself.

IIRC, getting approved for a Sony SDK requires a hefty down payment, proof of a physical office space, and you have to submit the resumes of your development team and hope Sony thinks they're good enough. Then you have to wait many months to hear back. I think you even need to have a project under development, or at least a complete design document.

Re: Bob's Game

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Post by duxup »

bogwog wrote: post #48
duxup wrote: post #38

This kinda seems like just someone throwing a fit that Nintendo didn't give them an SDK / support their game? There's more to making a game than just making the code and hoping someone supports your efforts. From the wikipedia page, I don't find the story all that sympathetic, at least as far as vs Nintendo. Story seems more like one of a troll or mental illness, and kinda sad.

I don't think that's a fair assessment. If it is mental illness, it's probably the same illness that leads people to become independent artists in the first place. He mentioned that he got an offer to work for Nintendo and lead his own team by a rep at GDC, but he turned it down because he didn't understand what they were offering him. I could 100% believe that because I could 100% see myself doing the same thing. He…

>He also later said that the ridiculous behavior was all a viral marketing stunt gone wrong

If that's the case ... still seems like 'guy throwing fit'.

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