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‘Great Resignation’ gains steam as return-to-work plans take effect

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

awsthro00945 wrote: post #214
ItsMonkk wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I experienced all of these to a much better degree during college. Are you sure you don't just want to live in a city that provides plenty of shared spaces? Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise.

> Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise. Why? Work is where you spend one third (or more) of your time during your adult life. Why the hell would I not want such a significant portion of my life to not also provide great benefits like opportunities to make friends, meet people, eat great food, and have fun? If you scoff at people who want to make their workplaces more welcoming and happier, no shit th…

Why?

Because if you live in a great place, all those things are available to you without discontinuity regardless of WHO you work for. The reason that there's such a disconnect between 20-somethings and everyone else on this issue is because everyone else has been through it already. Sure, there's a possibility that you will remain friends with people at your former place of work after you leave. There's also a VERY strong possibility that the people who are at that workplace are socializing with the people AT that workplace. The longer you stay away, the more people you DON'T know, and the less you fit into their social crowd.

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Post by nklop »

Hey thats me. I quit my office job to go remote. Don't regret it at all

Office work is weird and too political. It was like game of thrones every day. The boring bits with pointless drama to determine who sits on an uncomfortable chair.

Key question I have now when I have a face to face meeting: why exactly am I sharing oxygen in close proximity with this person? Especially after this silly commute just to do so.

BTW I now make more money than my boss's boss. Why would I want to go back? There's that pragmatism as well.

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Post by mahogany »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #206
eric4smith wrote: post #7

I think regardless of the stats, there is a movement of people wanting a better work and life balance. But what will this mean for society? For one, I see in the immediate future a bit of a reduction in commerce for a while. This is simply because people will have less money To spend. Duh. Still… humans always persist and adapt. Therefore in maybe 5 years there will be more of a Renaissance and a big change in how we…

It's hard for people to have less money to spend when there's 5x as much M1 [1], and 32% more M2 [2], and for the entirety of the last year - the personal savings rate was at an all time high [3]. People have more money now than ever before. I wouldn't expect a reduction in commerce in aggregate because ~3% of the workforce quit temporarily or even permanently. I won't be surprised if inflation gets so high that ther…

How did the M1 supply increase $12+ trillion? That's surprising to me, especially when it doesn't include bank reserves, and anyway it's much more than even the total amount of quantitative easing from what I can tell.

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dcolkitt wrote: post #15

I’m honestly perplexed what the FANGs are even thinking in being so aggressive about pushing an end to WFH. Sure it could all work out fine for them. Maybe employees will grumble for a bit, then settle back into office life. But maybe it wont’t . There’s a very real possibility that you lose a non-negligible percent of your staff (disproportionately the most talented who have other options), handicap your ability to…

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Post by sanderjd »

awsthro00945 wrote: post #214
ItsMonkk wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I experienced all of these to a much better degree during college. Are you sure you don't just want to live in a city that provides plenty of shared spaces? Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise.

> Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise. Why? Work is where you spend one third (or more) of your time during your adult life. Why the hell would I not want such a significant portion of my life to not also provide great benefits like opportunities to make friends, meet people, eat great food, and have fun? If you scoff at people who want to make their workplaces more welcoming and happier, no shit th…

Because you might get fired or laid off or burnt out and leave and only then discover that you have invested too much of yourself into this faceless entity that does not care a whit about you. This is one of those things where peoples' warnings to the young come from hard won experience, but where it doesn't sound right to people who have not themselves yet gained the experience. So we fail to impart the lessons and each generation is forced to relearn them on their own. It can be maddening to know something is correct but unable to convince someone who must experience it themselves in order to see. But it's just life and humanity, it just works that way.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

jensensbutton wrote: post #232
philote wrote: post #101

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Before the pandemic FANGs seemed to want everyone in the office as much as possible. That's why they have their own cafeterias/restaurants, daycare, workout rooms, etc. They wanted employees in the office, working a minimum of 40 hours a week. I'm guessing even though remote work is going fine for now, they're concerned they're not going to be able to keep getting over 40 hours of week out of employees. (This is conj…

At my FAANG they did studies and on average people are working MORE hours each day since the switch to WFH. If they were concerned about maximizing hours then they'd leave it as in. I suspect there are other concerns.

I have to wonder whether they're available for more hours or actually putting in more work. Home distractions tend to extend the work day for people who have pride in their craft.

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Post by throwawaynumber »

saiya-jin wrote: post #114
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #42

In my experience at least talking to some younger people there is a clear dichotomy: despite all the talk about Gen Z being "digital natives", people new in their career are much hungrier to get back into the office because they don't yet have good career networks built up and they're eager for mentorship. It is older, or at least more established workers who are less keen on that. I don't think FAANGs will have any…

A lot of domain knowledge and momentum might be lost due to such reshuffling. Losing competitive edge and whatnot. But maybe they have excellent documentation, knowledge sharing and mentorship, unlike all multinational corps I've ever worked for (where was generally a cost center and frowned upon).

Monopolies don't need to be as competitive.

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Post by nklop »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #42

In my experience at least talking to some younger people there is a clear dichotomy: despite all the talk about Gen Z being "digital natives", people new in their career are much hungrier to get back into the office because they don't yet have good career networks built up and they're eager for mentorship. It is older, or at least more established workers who are less keen on that. I don't think FAANGs will have any…

Not me. My career networks are online. Offices are full of people trying to give each other eating disorders through passive aggression, politics and generally pointless power games.

That's the perception we have in our groups. We meet up weekly face to face to share air when possible.

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Post by bobthepanda »

wil421 wrote: post #193
achow wrote: post #166

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From a single, young: I miss the office for.. - Free and convenient food. - Social chatter & engagement. - Making friends with employees who I don't know and connecting with new employees. - Work life separation (balance). - Proper workstation, climate controlled environment. - Sense of belonging - team outing, after hours beers.. - Intra and inter company sports and games. - Meeting potential dates. [Not me. Just em…

Sounds like you need some hobbies. Most of the things you state I get from my hobbies. Do you not live in a place with climate control? At home I make the temperature decisions not the facility folk.

Well, the PNW just had record temps for three days straight (100+ F is unheard of with avg Seattle July highs of 77) and AC is an uncommon residential amenity that is usually offered at large offices.

Does the office run the AC a bit cold? Yes, but to be honest when you reach almost too hot to sweat that's a nice problem to have.

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Post by lowercased »

triceratops wrote: post #240
barbazoo wrote: post #234

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> Work is where you spend one third (or more) of your time during your adult life. I surely hope this is rare. Even a 40h work week is less than a quarter of work per week and that doesn't account for holidays, vacation etc.

Not if you take out 56h/week for sleeping.

and commute. even a 'quick' commute (and attendant 'getting started for the day') is going to put you closer to 50h/week. Then another... ~50h/week for sleeping, as you say. The 'commute to an office' is closer to a 1/3rd of you week, and ~1/2 of your waking life for many folks.
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