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‘Great Resignation’ gains steam as return-to-work plans take effect

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Post by bregma »

TheCanuckster wrote: post #91
ProjectBarks wrote: post #62

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This is the exact sentiment I hold as well. I think the demographics of hacker news may be slightly swayed towards people who already have established networks and industry experience.

If this is the case, what are the forums people with less established networks and industry experience use? It would seem prudent to be aware of these other "HNs".

This week it's TikTok.

There is a really funny one where the guy goes back to work and hits his head on a door.

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Post by acwan93 »

baron_harkonnen wrote: post #120
dcolkitt wrote: post #15

I’m honestly perplexed what the FANGs are even thinking in being so aggressive about pushing an end to WFH. Sure it could all work out fine for them. Maybe employees will grumble for a bit, then settle back into office life. But maybe it wont’t . There’s a very real possibility that you lose a non-negligible percent of your staff (disproportionately the most talented who have other options), handicap your ability to…

> perplexed what the FANGs are even thinking in being so aggressive about pushing an end to WFH I think the divide between WFH and return to the office boils down to something surprisingly simple: how much longer does your current lease last and/or how much office property do you own. Companies that are about to have a lease expire, or are growing at a rate that they would need to soon lease an even larger building a…

Apple is the prime example, touting the massive $5B+ investment into its new campus. Google might be in the same boat with its Downtown San Jose expansion work.

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Post by tedivm »

icedchai wrote: post #194
achow wrote: post #166

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From a single, young: I miss the office for.. - Free and convenient food. - Social chatter & engagement. - Making friends with employees who I don't know and connecting with new employees. - Work life separation (balance). - Proper workstation, climate controlled environment. - Sense of belonging - team outing, after hours beers.. - Intra and inter company sports and games. - Meeting potential dates. [Not me. Just em…

I'm not so young any more, but I miss getting out of the house more during the day. The separation between work and home spaces is pretty important. After almost 16 months of this, working from home has simply become old.

There's a huge difference between what we all did over the last year and a normal remote working situation. A lot of the worst part of WFH for most people really is a combination of WFH and pandemic pain, rather than purely being a WFH issue.

I've spent most of my career doing remote work. Since I planned on it, rather than being forced into it, I was able to do things like rent an apartment with space for an office and set it up how I like. That actually adds to my balance as I can "go to the office" and then "leave the office" when I'm done. A lot of people in the pandemic era aren't as lucky there since it was so unplanned.

More importantly to your point though is that remote work normally doesn't mean "only work from home". Outside of the pandemic I would regular take my laptop to parks, libraries, or other spaces for a change of scenery. With the pandemic that wasn't an option as places were closed. I'm hoping to continue this now that things are reopening.

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Post by awsthro00945 »

ItsMonkk wrote: post #175
achow wrote: post #166

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From a single, young: I miss the office for.. - Free and convenient food. - Social chatter & engagement. - Making friends with employees who I don't know and connecting with new employees. - Work life separation (balance). - Proper workstation, climate controlled environment. - Sense of belonging - team outing, after hours beers.. - Intra and inter company sports and games. - Meeting potential dates. [Not me. Just em…

I experienced all of these to a much better degree during college. Are you sure you don't just want to live in a city that provides plenty of shared spaces? Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise.

> Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise.

Why? Work is where you spend one third (or more) of your time during your adult life. Why the hell would I not want such a significant portion of my life to not also provide great benefits like opportunities to make friends, meet people, eat great food, and have fun?

If you scoff at people who want to make their workplaces more welcoming and happier, no shit the workplace is going to turn into anti-social, work-only hellholes that nobody wants to go back to. This attitude is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and a root of the problem.

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Post by ryandrake »

totalgeek wrote: post #113
klipklop wrote: post #59

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Nobody wants to give up a something once it becomes a part of their life that they enjoy. The FANG workers got a taste of not having a daily long commute and don't want to give this small life improvement back. Getting back several hours of your life is pretty big. FANG companies however have gotten a taste of nearly unlimited power and have not heard "no" in years. They too don't want to give this up. This is why th…

Let's not also forget the ability to take your pay from say a major metropolitan area like San Francisco, and work remote where you get more bang for your buck like Wyoming. When I was working in the bay area I would've happily taken a 10-20% pay cut in order to work remote from anywhere. I would've been happy with a mandate of 'come into the office for a week (on the company dime of course) once a quarter, bi-annual…

I think many of the companies that have announced remote options will also be adjusting salaries based on the local area's cost of living or cost of hiring or some other similar factor.

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Post by acid__ »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #203
toast42 wrote: post #159

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> my productivity is easily 5-10x what it was before How are you measuring this? Those numbers seem incredulous.

I’m pretty sure it’s BS propaganda.

“BS propaganda”? What would I possibly have to gain by lying…? Other people are allowed to have differing perspectives and opinions.

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Post by brandmeyer »

acituan wrote: post #123
brandmeyer wrote: post #115

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> (This is conjecture on my part, I have no idea how many hours FANG employees tend to work). Then don't conjecture. Speculation doesn't add to the conversation. In the absence of evidence, it just spreads a misinformation virus.

Without due speculation we could only talk about fully established facts. That would make a very infertile conversation. Also you should have more trust for your fellows in dialogue here, that they do have some immune function against misinformation viruses.

My experience in the software industry is that engineers are just as susceptible to misinformation as everyone else. It is the exact same process which reinforces beliefs in flat-earth, anti-vax, chiropractic, homeopathy, the stolen-election narrative, and other such nonsense.

A number of folks are asking the question, "why does the HN consensus appear to be so far away from my experience?" I think the answer is really that noise is being amplified and echoed above the signal.

If you know you're just guessing based on what "seems reasonable" and "matches what other people are saying" you need to stop and re-evaluate the validity of your beliefs. That's an important part of critical thinking which is sorely lacking in this forum right now.

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Post by YinglingLight »

briefcomment wrote: post #167
burlesona wrote: post #90

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Not just slightly skewed. Also the HN audience is far more remote-oriented than I’ve encountered among my coworkers over the course of my career, including > 4 years working full-remote.

Anonymity probably accounts for a decent portion of the discrepancy (meaning some of your co-workers would probably be anti-WFH in person, and pro-WFH anonymously)

Very few are anti-WFH in person. That would be publicly admitting that you can't be trusted to work independently.

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Post by padobson »

ItsMonkk wrote: post #175
achow wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a single, young: I miss the office for.. - Free and convenient food. - Social chatter & engagement. - Making friends with employees who I don't know and connecting with new employees. - Work life separation (balance). - Proper workstation, climate controlled environment. - Sense of belonging - team outing, after hours beers.. - Intra and inter company sports and games. - Meeting potential dates. [Not me. Just em…

I experienced all of these to a much better degree during college. Are you sure you don't just want to live in a city that provides plenty of shared spaces? Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise.

Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise.

This is a brilliant sentiment and can be tide to multitudes of other items. The more that can be voluntarily decoupled from the employer-employee relationship, the more should be.

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Post by throwawayboise »

bart_spoon wrote: post #158
selfhoster11 wrote: post #136

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Reddit would be my guess.

The handful of Reddit programming communities I've seen are also very uninterested in returning to work. I have to wonder if the difference isn't so much "established career" vs "newbie" and is more simply self-selection, with people who are comfortable working remotely more likely to engage frequently in online communities, and those more interested in in-person work less represented.

Also anyone who has been earning a FAANG salary for 5-10 years should have enough FU money to feel a lot less pressure to conform to unreasonable employer demands.
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