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Re: Modular Homes for Under $50k

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Post by mlindner »

UncleMeat wrote: post #180
kumarvvr wrote: post #80

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Snake oil salesmen do not send self landing rockets to the ISS. He may have a bit more hype and may be manipulative in some ways, but you have to admit that he has given a good amount of technological progress to the world. Would you think the big car companies would scramble for electric cars if not for Tesla?

SpaceX sent a self landing rocket to the ISS. CEOs matter, but Musk seems to consistently get more credit for his company's successes than other leaders. His reality distortion field that enables him to hire very strong engineers is his biggest boon.

Musk is a lot more involved in day to day operations at SpaceX than a lot of people seem to understand. Shotwell on division of labor with Musk:

> The way Elon and I share the load, he focuses on development. He's still very highly engaged in the day-to-day operations, but his focus is on development. He was the lead on Starlink, and I started shifting my focus to Starlink around late spring, early summer of last year. Elon’s focus in that time was moving to Starship, that is his primary focus at SpaceX. It doesn't mean he's not thinking about the company on a day-to-day basis, but his emphasis is to get the Starship program to orbit.

Re: Modular Homes for Under $50k

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Post by monkeynotes »

mekkkkkk wrote: post #192
monkeynotes wrote: post #185

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The headline touts cost, I think it's fair to look at the actual cost benefits. If Apple designed the iPod and promoted it based on cost Slashdot would have had a point. Apple never says 'hey look how affordable our product is'. This headline caught my eye as I'm interested in how the fuck people are going to afford homes in the near future. I am disappointed. The "home" is not somewhere young people can raise a fami…

I agree with your point, but you should s/cost/memory to make your comparison analogous. Slashdot was dismissing the iPod because it had less storage than a Creative Nomad and other popular players of the time.

Well obviously comparing an iPod to a home is stupid in the first place. An iPod is a consumer product, where a home is a fundamental life component. Most people evaluate a home in terms of size, location, and cost alone. People will move into a dump if it's the right size, location, and cost. In other words, people have been happily living in Creative Nomads for centuries and this "iPod" home is not going to disrupt that in any way at all.

The modular home does not innovate in the way an iPod uncovered a new consumer market. It does not exercise a cost advantage, or size advantage, nor does it out-compete a double-wide in terms of locatability.

It's really just a stylistic advantage that wealthy people will find appealing. So putting "ONLY $50k" in the headline is misleading as that is not the real story here.

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Post by lillecarl »

kozak wrote: post #187
wombatpm wrote: post #59

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But with ‘son’ in the word doesn’t it’s usage continue to promote the patriarchy?

In my native language (Ukrainian), the word "person" (людина) is always feminine. Even if someone wanted to say "I'm a very masculine person", they would still need to use a feminine form of the word "masculine" to say "masculine person". And no one has ever had any issues with that, ever.

That would probably be because It's just a superficial issue for people with too much time and money on their hands to enforce their ways upon others.

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Post by bluGill »

bigthymer wrote: post #186
mywittyname wrote: post #24

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The standardization in the building trade didn't exist back in the Sears catalog days. For example, 2x4s come in 8ft lengths, using 16 on center studs, 8 2x4s will provide 8 foot of wall, and two sheets of drywall will cover it. And you can order all of the cabinetry, trim, shower enclosures, etc in a form that's ready for installation. A Sears prefab home would not be cheaper today because the inefficiencies that th…

> it's infeasible for a person to construct their own house anymore, given building codes and such What has changed that this is no longer possible any more?

You need to be a licensed plumber to touch anything that connects to the public water supply. While there is nothing hard about plumbing, doing something stupid could poison the whole town and so towns are paranoid.

For everything else, you can do all the work yourself if you have time. I've done framing as a job so I have the experience to build a wall about as fast as any professional crew. I do my own electrical work but it takes me much longer than a real electrician (it passes intersection, though I'm more likely to need to fix something and get a second inspection). I can plan and schedule all the contractors for anything I don't want to do myself, but my inexperience means I would need to pad the schedule a lot more than a general contractor (and the fact that I'm not a regular customer means I'm not top of their list to get my job done)

Each city and sometimes inspectors have their own codes. Sometimes they are good things (going beyond the basic codes), sometimes the inspector is just making things to enforce even though there is no engineering reason for that.

There is no reason you can't build your own house (except plumbing). However it will take a lot of effort. Professionals are up on all the codes and the latest tricks and so will be a lot faster.

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Post by lillecarl »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #124
spijdar wrote: post #122

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Oh, for sure. I didn't mean to suggest it's a common or respected belief, only that there are some who support it. (and probably more who use examples of it in bad faith arguments presuming that such groups exist in larger numbers, e.g. "look at those crazy feminists!") > If we want English to be more gender-neutral, we could revert to werman, wifman and man. There's a part of me that loves this idea, even if I recog…

> A curious example of a Germanic cousin of English that underwent the same "masculinization" of the word man but "came back" is Swedish, where the word "man" means "adult male", but is also used as a neuter pronoun meaning "generic person" (usually translated as "one" in English). We sort of have this in English too: "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind". Although I can't think of any cases w…

"That's one small step for a person, one giant leap for personkind"

Time to rewrite the history books! (1984 anyone?)

"_Man_ borde inte tvinga andra att anpassa sig efter en skrikig minoritet" (_One_ should not force others to conform to a loudmouthed minority)

Re: Modular Homes for Under $50k

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Post by j45 »

lowercased wrote: post #176
j45 wrote: post #146

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Construction prices should not be assumed to be standardized, comparable or equivalent between locations.

agreed - many medium cost places in central NC are still under $200/sqft for new builds, including the land. It's typically a smaller lot than, say, 3-4 years ago, and the construction quality is (continually?) slipping, etc, but location is still a huge factor. We were close to pulling the trigger with a builder last fall and it was going to be around $180/sqft, and it was a custom build, and included around .8 acre…

Supplies, land, labour, demand, location, taxes are some of the things that make it difficult to have a universal construction cost per sq foot.

At a granular level maybe some comparisons are possible.

The original premise of the comment above that because it’s not the same as where I am.. it can’t exist anywhere else is all I was shedding some light on.

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Post by d883kd8 »

mekkkkkk wrote: post #195
monkeynotes wrote: post #191

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Welcome accessory citizens to your new neighbourhood. A dystopia like this is not just on the horizon it's all but here already. "Middle class" is not meaningful any more. Working class has slipped into actual poverty and the middle class are now accessory to the wealth hoarders. Educated twenty-somethings don't have much of a future to look forward to. They can't even afford the land to put an Accessory Dwelling Uni…

What's a "perma-health watch", and how does it the reduce ability to socialize?

Guess

Re: Modular Homes for Under $50k

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Post by monkeynotes »

mekkkkkk wrote: post #195
monkeynotes wrote: post #191

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Welcome accessory citizens to your new neighbourhood. A dystopia like this is not just on the horizon it's all but here already. "Middle class" is not meaningful any more. Working class has slipped into actual poverty and the middle class are now accessory to the wealth hoarders. Educated twenty-somethings don't have much of a future to look forward to. They can't even afford the land to put an Accessory Dwelling Uni…

What's a "perma-health watch", and how does it the reduce ability to socialize?

I assume you are living in a time where a perpetual pandemic is something you've considered as becoming a reality[1]. With Covid mutations pushing countries back into lockdown you must see where we are potentially heading. Young people have had their university experience revoked. So many people go to university partly for the education and partly for the social experience. Finding love, new life long friends, and getting an education is what university used to mean to people. This is no more and may never be again. We are living in a time where our old life is being disposed and we don't even know it. I feel like most people think this is just temporary, well it's been almost a year and a half and we are still here. Life won't go back to how it was, ever. Too many paradigms have changed, and we have band aids for Covid that are just about keeping our hopes up. This hope will wane and we'll be work ourselves through to the final stages of grief as we accept our new lives in semi-isolation.

[1] https://www.ft.com/content/1c7266b1-1fad-458e-8585-12dc3164f... https://nationalpost.com/news/postpandemic/its-only-the-end-... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/moderna-ceo-says-the-world-w... https://www.businessinsider.com/when-will-the-pandemic-end-d...

Re: Modular Homes for Under $50k

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Post by mekkkkkk »

monkeynotes wrote: post #209
mekkkkkk wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a "perma-health watch", and how does it the reduce ability to socialize?

I assume you are living in a time where a perpetual pandemic is something you've considered as becoming a reality[1]. With Covid mutations pushing countries back into lockdown you must see where we are potentially heading. Young people have had their university experience revoked. So many people go to university partly for the education and partly for the social experience. Finding love, new life long friends, and ge…

All right. Yeah, I don't fully disagree. I just never saw the expression "perma-health watch" before, and was unable to parse it. English is not my native language.
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