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Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

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Have fun being a hairdresser or prostitute for the 0.01% then. New jobs in academic fields will not emerge. Already now a significant percentage of degree holders are forced into bullshit jobs.

Would the implication be that we are stagnating as a species then?

Not stagnating but moving into an "Elysium" (as in the film) type of society.

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

#82

It certainly seems to be a laundering enabler. Say that you want to un-GPL-ify some famous copylefted code that is on the training database. You type a first innocuous characters of it, then the co-pilot keeps completing the rest of the same exact code, for it offers a perfect match. If the completion is not exact, you "twiddle" it a bit until it becomes. Bang! you have a non-gpl copy of the program! Moreover, it is…

1) Type a comment like

    // The following code implements the functionality of 
2) Have library implemented magically for you

3) Delete top comment if necessary :P

(It's pretty unlikely that this will actually work but the approach could well do.)

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

#83
post #22

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But the rate of product/services that machinery will produce will make that even a small tax to corporations producing everything autonomously will be enough to feed and give a quality of life to everyone with an UBI or partial time jobs. You really want to push for high productivity across all industries, even if that means sacrificing jobs in the short term, because history demonstrated after that, new and more hum…

The current state of most wealthy countries do not show any hint of any significant corporation tax. Wealth will continue to accrue in the hands of the few.

Indeed, even here on HN, it's a pretty regular talking point in the comments that the only fair corporate tax rate is 0%.

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

#84
post #73

What happens when someone puts code up on GitHub with a license that says "This code may not be used for training a code generation model"? - Is GitHub actually going to pay any attention to that, or are they just going to ingest the code and thus violate its license anyway? - If they go ahead and violate the code's license, what are the legal repercussions for the resulting model? Can a model be "un-trained" from a…

I would bet this as applicable as the Facebook posts of my parents friends something like, 'All my content on this page is mine alone and I expressly forbid Facebook INC usage of it for any purpose.'

I'm not sure why it would be any less binding than any other license term, except for possibly the ToS loophole that invokestatic points out below.

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

#85

Attempts to litigate any license violation are going to get precisely nowhere I bet, but I find the actual license violation argument persuasive. This is an excellent example of how the AI singularity/revolution/whatever is a total distraction and that a much bigger and more serious issue is how AI is becoming so effective at turning the output of cheap/free human mental labour into capital. If AI keeps getting bette…

I expect nothing less. The 0,01 will be super rich. You could call it endgame

They need to defend their capitals from the rest 99.99%. Expect huge combat robots investments and expanding of private armies.

And, of course, total surveillance helps to prevent any kind of unionization of those 99.99%.

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

#86

Attempts to litigate any license violation are going to get precisely nowhere I bet, but I find the actual license violation argument persuasive. This is an excellent example of how the AI singularity/revolution/whatever is a total distraction and that a much bigger and more serious issue is how AI is becoming so effective at turning the output of cheap/free human mental labour into capital. If AI keeps getting bette…

I expect nothing less. The 0,01 will be super rich. You could call it endgame

> The 0,01 will be super rich.

By definition, that has always been true.

We have been in the endgame for a very long time.

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

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Attempts to litigate any license violation are going to get precisely nowhere I bet, but I find the actual license violation argument persuasive. This is an excellent example of how the AI singularity/revolution/whatever is a total distraction and that a much bigger and more serious issue is how AI is becoming so effective at turning the output of cheap/free human mental labour into capital. If AI keeps getting bette…

> trillions in capital will be captured by the 0.01%. How is that different from the current situation?

It is very similar to the current situation, but intensified. Technology tends to be an intensifier for existing power structures.

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

#88
post #67

The second tweet in the thread seems badly off the mark in its understanding of copyright law. > copyright does not only cover copying and pasting; it covers derivative works. github copilot was trained on open source code and the sum total of everything it knows was drawn from that code. there is no possible interpretation of "derivative" that does not include this Copyright law is very complicated (remember Google…

If you can read open source code, learn from it, and write your own code, why can't a computer?

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

#89

What happens when someone puts code up on GitHub with a license that says "This code may not be used for training a code generation model"? - Is GitHub actually going to pay any attention to that, or are they just going to ingest the code and thus violate its license anyway? - If they go ahead and violate the code's license, what are the legal repercussions for the resulting model? Can a model be "un-trained" from a…

I expect them to check /LICENSE file and if it deviates from standard open source license, they'll skip that repository.

Re: GitHub Copilot as open source code laundering?

#90

Attempts to litigate any license violation are going to get precisely nowhere I bet, but I find the actual license violation argument persuasive. This is an excellent example of how the AI singularity/revolution/whatever is a total distraction and that a much bigger and more serious issue is how AI is becoming so effective at turning the output of cheap/free human mental labour into capital. If AI keeps getting bette…

First in was lands, then other means of productions, and for the past 150 years, capitalists have turned many types of intellectual creations into exclusively owned capital (art, inventions). Now some want to turn personal data into capital (the “right to monetize” personal data advertised by some is nothing else) and this aims to turn publicly available code into capital. This is simply the history of capitalism going on: the appropriation of the commons.
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