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Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#41

Post by MatthewPhillips »

nakkiel wrote: post #22
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For starters: What is the #1 reason to visit a project page? To download the source. Does the #2 reason come even close? No. So why in the world is the repo URL not on the front page, and easy for me to copy/paste into a terminal? Why? Github even has a button that will copy it to the clipboard for you!

Meh. The term 'Project' embodies much much more than just 'code'. A Project is made of its many components: team, community, bug trackers, documentation, resources, news feed and code (I've certainly omitted several other things). Only after looking at these elements can you get a picture of the project which will tell you a lot about it. How is the support? Do developers even care? Are they serious at issues handlin…

Thanks, that brings up another Google Code ui failure.

The front page of a Google Project gives you no indication if the project is being maintained.

When I go to a project on Github this is my flow:

1) When was the last check in? 18 months ago? Pass. Recent? Yes, please.

2) Usage examples? No? Maybe if I really need you. Yes? I'll at least give you shot.

3) Copy git url to the clipboard and then clone it.

Google Code doesn't do a good job of any of these!

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#42

Post by speckledjim »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #19
beder wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or even better, explain what about the UI could be improved. I've been using Google Code for several years, and I love the UI.

For starters: What is the #1 reason to visit a project page? To download the source. Does the #2 reason come even close? No. So why in the world is the repo URL not on the front page, and easy for me to copy/paste into a terminal? Why? Github even has a button that will copy it to the clipboard for you!

Disagree strongly.

Every time I get passed a github URL, it plonks me in a daunting page full of source code. If you scroll down a page or 2 sometimes you can see a text README file that tells you WTF the project is about.

On Google code, you get a nice UI, telling you about the project, bug tracker, discussions, binaries, AND IF YOU WANT IT the source code.

I think github is built for developers, whereas google code is built for developers and users.

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#43

Post by cdibona »

jjm wrote: post #38
cdibona wrote: post #4

I'd say a better link is to the issue we marked 'fixed' : http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2454 Or to the project creation page: http://code.google.com/hosting/createProject We hope you like it.

How about linking Google code to Google+. Where projects have their own 'Project+' personality and what not. You could even have a 'downloads' like 'Photos' for all the people who don't seem to like GitHub (don't know why but ok). I have tons of more suggestions... of course they will need to be validated :-P

Bring em on! Most of the work on the site is bringing some needed aspects to the fore, but the success of the + launch has spawned some really interesting ideas on how we can help users of the site share aspects of their projects to +.

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#44

Post by jamesgeck0 »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #41
nakkiel wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh. The term 'Project' embodies much much more than just 'code'. A Project is made of its many components: team, community, bug trackers, documentation, resources, news feed and code (I've certainly omitted several other things). Only after looking at these elements can you get a picture of the project which will tell you a lot about it. How is the support? Do developers even care? Are they serious at issues handlin…

Thanks, that brings up another Google Code ui failure. The front page of a Google Project gives you no indication if the project is being maintained. When I go to a project on Github this is my flow: 1) When was the last check in? 18 months ago? Pass. Recent? Yes, please. 2) Usage examples? No? Maybe if I really need you. Yes? I'll at least give you shot. 3) Copy git url to the clipboard and then clone it. Google Cod…

1) At the top of the sidebar, there's an "Activity" label with a little cellphone-reception-style indicator icon. Clicking on it shows you a list of checkins, bug updates, and wiki modifications.

2) It's up to the project to show usage examples. Given that Google Code projects have a wiki page as the first thing you see, the examples can be in an even more prominent place than on GitHub.

3) Yeah, there's an extra click and some manual text selection here.

I don't know. I think it strikes a decent balance between letting developers get to the information they want and not scaring off non-technical users.

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#45

Post by cdibona »

dave1010uk wrote: post #39
cdibona wrote: post #4

I'd say a better link is to the issue we marked 'fixed' : http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2454 Or to the project creation page: http://code.google.com/hosting/createProject We hope you like it.

I got an email alert on that issue and all it said was resolution changed to fixed, with no comment. I thought it could be a mistake so I went to code.google.com looking for some kind of announcement and found nothing, then finally found the create project page and saw the drop-down with git in it! Thanks for all the hard work you guys have put into it. I think many people don't realise how much work goes into someth…

The team has done some good work and have indeed been working hard. They do appreciate the recognition for sure.

We talked about how we should break the news that we supported git. Marking the bug fixed was a good approach to it as then we knew those that cared enough to click on the little star on the issue would know, and that would be a pretty good start.

A few people noticed in the 1/2 hour or so between the launch and the issue change, so that was funny to watch. We'll do a formal post later. Right now we're mostly watching and seeing what happens so we can make sure the site is in good shape.

So....try it out and let us know how you like it.

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#46

Post by Xurinos »

CrLf wrote: post #21
shazow wrote: post #13

That's great, but I'm still slowly moving my projects over to Github. 1. I get much more engagement from random developers on Github. On Github, random people will fork and add features, do code reviews and leave comments. All of these things are technically possible on Google Code but nobody does it—probably due to the usability but possibly also a cultural problem. Github has a strong culture of collaboration becau…

Why doesn't anyone ever think about the users? You know, the ones that just want to grab some binaries and do stuff? In the "old days", projects would have a webpage with some instructions, screenshots and downloadable binaries. The effort required to do this would pay off in terms of polish and would attract more users. Today, people find out about this supposedly nice piece of software, and proceed to find only a s…

Minor quibble, but I share your concern. It is more of a developer choice rather than a github limitation. github supports pod format, README, and I have no idea what else, displayed on the front page of a project. You can also supply a link to a project page. But what do I expect? Same as you -- main feature description, screenshots (please), and additional links to documentation and examples.

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#47

Post by seiji »

cdibona wrote: post #43
jjm wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about linking Google code to Google+. Where projects have their own 'Project+' personality and what not. You could even have a 'downloads' like 'Photos' for all the people who don't seem to like GitHub (don't know why but ok). I have tons of more suggestions... of course they will need to be validated :-P

Bring em on! Most of the work on the site is bringing some needed aspects to the fore, but the success of the + launch has spawned some really interesting ideas on how we can help users of the site share aspects of their projects to +.

Interesting. By forcing a new product name to be a recognized symbol, you remove all translation issues for the product name itself.

English? Google +. Italian? Google +.

Sneaky/clever.

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#48

Post by kierank »

cdibona wrote: post #4

I'd say a better link is to the issue we marked 'fixed' : http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=2454 Or to the project creation page: http://code.google.com/hosting/createProject We hope you like it.

Any chance of fixing this bug?

http://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=840#c6

It's totally bizzare to get other people's Google Code traffic data in your Google Analytics.

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#49

Post by zerosanity »

Google Code's UI needs a lot of work. I just created a test project to try our git functionality. I closed my browser and went to a meeting. After an hour or so I come back, open my browser, and type in code.google.com. I get a nice page but no links to "my projects" or the like. After searching through links on the page I finally had to give up and had to type in the project URL (http://code.google.com/p/myproject) from memory.

Re: Code.Google.com now supports git

#50

Post by pstadler »

shazow wrote: post #13

That's great, but I'm still slowly moving my projects over to Github. 1. I get much more engagement from random developers on Github. On Github, random people will fork and add features, do code reviews and leave comments. All of these things are technically possible on Google Code but nobody does it—probably due to the usability but possibly also a cultural problem. Github has a strong culture of collaboration becau…

I think the strength of GitHub is lying in it's focus on code. And that's the point of a code hosting website, isn't it? You visit a GitHub repository... what's the first thing you see? Instead of a blank page with some numbers and a project summary you're directly looking at the core of every project: its code. The presentation of the readme file is just one more thing which speaks for GitHub. Your project summary is integrated into the actual process of development because it's a part of it.

Plus, you really get this feeling of activity while browsing projects and code on GitHub. Google Code and SourceForge seem so abandoned in comparison.

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