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We moderns are status-drunk

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Re: We moderns are status-drunk

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I see status seeking as a constant activity of people around me. The article got me thinking how this is similar in a way to power dynamics in a band of primates, a pecking or dominance order.

I gave my car to my granddaughter a few years ago and decided to not replace it (I live in a small town and like to walk, I can borrow my wife’s car or ask friends to drive places). I often joke to people that I am poor and can’t afford a car. Recently an old friend got upset at this - she started lecturing me on how important maintaining status is.

The reason social media like Facebook is so harmful is that it enables people to paint pictures of their wonderful lives to impress other people rather than simply quietly living wonderful lives. One of the most freeing things in life is realizing that personally that we are not special, that we rely on other people. We don’t have to be great at what we do, just being kind to ourselves and other people is all we need for a happy life.

Re: We moderns are status-drunk

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Do you have a source for either of those claims? The little historical anthropology I've read suggests the opposite: status is a constant struggle. You don't get it and then have it, you work to show it off every day or you lose it, because in a sense it's like Santa Claus; something that only exists when others believe in it. For others to believe in it, they have to be reminded of it. If anything, people are natura…

is the last book you mention "The Savage Truth on Money - Terry Savage"? The first is by Pink?

First by Pink, last by Christopher something. I can look it up shortly.

Edit: harder to find than I thought: https://www.amazon.com/Savage-Money-Studies-Anthropology-His...

Re: We moderns are status-drunk

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Has anybody read impro by Keith Johnstone?

He’s got a write up in there about status, and how before they “figured it out,“ the actors couldn’t make believable scenes of “everyday conversation”. Then, after some play or another he hits on the idea of everybody trying to make their status just a little above or below the other person’s status in conversation.

Suddenly the acted conversations became “authentic”.

This post seems to be a similar take at a different scale and perspective. Interesting stuff.

Re: We moderns are status-drunk

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Evolutionary psychology just smells of "making shit up". There's no way of proving any of these conjectures. They don't make any predictions that could be falsified. And they're not that useful - this doesn't explain anything in any way that we could actually use.

>Evolutionary psychology just smells of "making shit up". There's no way of proving any of these conjectures.

No, but there's more to thinking and understanding the world than proving...

Re: We moderns are status-drunk

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Exactly this. Status requires keeping track of people’s standing, but we can’t naturally do that for numbers greater than Dunbar’s. There comes in play the prosthetic status through indirect signals and symbols, from the feathers on a tribe leader’s hat to follower counts on social media. Unfortunately since status is also a comparative good (it matters having more status than the other) the virtual competition space…

> Status requires keeping track of people’s standing, but we can’t naturally do that for numbers greater than Dunbar’s. Status isn't symmetric: a local Lord can be a high status person in the eyes of more than Dunbar's number of peasants, because he doesn't need to care much about their status (he has advisors on payroll for that.) Obviously, he's in all their Dunbar-sized circles.

I think a better characterization would be "status is not necessarily reciprocal"; the person evaluated for status does not need to be aware of the evaluators, as long as they can leverage the evaluated status itself. I think this is exactly the property that allows for prosthetic status. But it also makes it much more game-able than the real, just-in-time, participatory status.

In the case of a lord, the carrier of status is actually the title than the person who happens to be the lord at that time. Lordship is the technology that attempts to scale the status across time and across a higher number of people. The problem of giving what is ultimately dead-matter so much power is that anyone who can capture it can also use it, regardless of legitimacy. This is a perennial problem woven into literature and philosophy for centuries.

The high-follower-count as a status technology is just a newer, planet scale version of this game, but it is not the ultimate status carrier either. The ultimate status is held by the tech company that can give the follower count its meaning. It is the immediate entity that can convince us to divorce status from its original, participatory meaning and to respond to its reduced form that is the number. It is the almost transparent medium where numbers and attention flow through, all of which it can ultimately can turn into money.

Re: We moderns are status-drunk

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Even without a time machine to witness it, we can be certain that the evolutionary process has sorted away ancestors who failed to reproduce, leaving only those fit for the environment. But like machine learning, we can never know why life “chose” one way over the other. Still, that any trait in us or other species, psychology or other, is selected by evolution must be true, as any trait selected away by evolution by…

"Still, that any trait in us or other species, psychology or other, is selected by evolution must be true, as any trait selected away by evolution by definition does not live." This is a false dichotomy. Some traits do not provide enough of an advantage or a drawback to be selected for or against. Some traits reach fixation by piggy-backing on an other advantageous trait (either because they are a byproduct or just b…

“Selected” doesn’t imply “better”, just that it was included in the set.
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