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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by _trampeltier »

aembleton wrote: post #560
_trampeltier wrote: post #502

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What I don't undestand, even Win 10 Pro has XBox and candys all over the place .. serious in a pro version?!? With the terrible EULA it all felt just like a joke to me and I deleted all my Windows installations and I'm Linux only now at home. I'm not using Linux because it is free. I have 4 unused Win10 Pro licenses at home now. But I just can't say yes to the EULA. So I dumped them all. In the late 90s I also bought…

> I have 4 unused Win10 Pro licenses at home now. Why don't you sell them?

Because it's not about the money. And who knows I might wanna use one on a VM in future. The last new notebook I made flat without even save the installed Windows first.

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Post by 867-5309 »

ReaLNero wrote: post #354
867-5309 wrote: post #320

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for Reddit, you can "sign up" with a bogus email address and still interact (browse, join, comment, vote, message) freely. the only possible downside is it asks you to verify your email address every launch, but I don't see this as a downside since I am using Reddit anonymously, and it is easily dismissed. been doing this for over a year now

What's valuable is your interests so that they know what ads to put in your face. Whether or not your email is linked to you is irrelevant -- you can click on ads all the same. This solution doesn't save you from the data mining they do on your usage.

I use an ad blocker so have never seen an ad on Reddit

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by 867-5309 »

axguscbklp wrote: post #347
867-5309 wrote: post #320

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for Reddit, you can "sign up" with a bogus email address and still interact (browse, join, comment, vote, message) freely. the only possible downside is it asks you to verify your email address every launch, but I don't see this as a downside since I am using Reddit anonymously, and it is easily dismissed. been doing this for over a year now

You can actually just click "Next" on the sign-up screen without having entered any email address at all. It works fine, for now at least.

that's cool. I get the impression they're not really interested in monetising or data mining if all these loopholes exist, and that their platform is supported by those who wish to engage in microtransactions, which do not hinder functionality in any way e.g. pay for privileges. good on them

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by e12e »

nine_k wrote: post #369
e12e wrote: post #174

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> You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical infrastructure and staffing so you can sit at home and spend your time looking at cats for free? No, they have your attention and they're going to connect you to organizations who will pay for it. "The infrastructure" to share cat pictures cost peanuts. It's the addictive dark patterns and montezation/tracking that costs millions. That's the irony.

Go an and run a site that serves massive amounts of cat pictures for peanuts! Well, yes, serving static HTML is easy. Serving images is kind of not hard either, because you have free unlimited traffic, don't you? Some hosting plans offer it. They just limit the egress bandwidth. So maybe you need a few more servers to cope with it, just like $50 a pop. You're not gonna need any CDN, people further away from your DC w…

> Go an and run a site that serves massive amounts of cat pictures for peanuts!

Well, I was responding to "millions", so maybe "a handful of peanuts" might be more accurate...

I belive there was an open company/OCI post by neocities.org a good while back, detailing their budget - but I can't seem to find it again.

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Post by thomasahle »

msravi wrote: post #524
6502nerdface wrote: post #445

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I guess someone could argue that it only costs $150 because of the ads. Windows 95 cost well over twice that when it was launched (inflation adjusted). Maybe in the same way that airfares are way cheaper than they were in the 90s, but with much crappier included service.

Ok, so why isn't there an option to just buy the thing at its actual cost without the subsidy and without ads? Are they unable to put a $ value on how much the ads will garner them over, say, a 3-year period? FWIW, I have Linux Mint on all laptops at home, including the ones used by the kids and the elderly, even though I've already paid for the Windows 10 license by virtue of having purchased them default installed.

> Ok, so why isn't there an option to just buy the thing at its actual cost without the subsidy and without ads? Are they unable to put a $ value on how much the ads will garner them over, say, a 3-year period?

That's the classical problem with ad-free subscription models: You remove all the people with cash to spare from your advertising pool, thus decreasing its value. At that point you might as well make the product ad-free for the people not paying as well.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by Y_Y »

e12e wrote: post #176
EamonnMR wrote: post #129

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Appwall? Subscribewall? Mailwall?

Millwall? A wall that wears you down until you comply?

That's already the name of a a soccer team[2] with the motto "No one likes us and we don't care"[3]. How poetic.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millwall_F.C.

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_one_likes_us,_we_don%27t_ca...

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by npteljes »

XorNot wrote: post #428
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

So how does this explain why Windows 10, which I have paid like $150 for per license, is now infested with ads, tracking and online presence - and close to impossible to buy without that. They aren't even trying to put a $ figure on what they think it's worth - because they can't be stopped from doing it. There is no implied agreement, it's exactly as stated.

That's the real fuck you pattern right there. When they make you pay for it handsomely, build a moat with questionable practices so third parties have a hard time, make it part of the cultural context so that people expect it to be the "normal" or "baseline" system, and then there's still ads.

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Post by Dagonfly »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #295
nvr219 wrote: post #204

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Reddit (the service) is tons better than Pinterest, facebook, instagram... I think it's totally out of line to group Reddit in with them. The new reddit website is total trash but you can use like 99% of reddit without ever visiting the website. I use Apollo for example, and there are many other apps you can use or develop your own. You can also use old.reddit.com. Access to reddit is much more open than any of these…

My main issue with Reddit is when I'm doing mobile research about something, I usually Google about something, probably something and put site:reddit.com to read people opinions. When going straight from Google without having an app, the experience will be obviously horrible. Now I use an app called "Relay", but this also has some issues, it will open the Google link, but it will usually open the content and there do…

In Relay if you swipe up on the action bar on the bottom you'll see the comments.

I prefer Sync for Reddit cause it provides a very HN-like UX if you set the view mode to smaller cards or compact.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by behnamoh »

pronlover723 wrote: post #530
l33t2328 wrote: post #496

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What advertising is there?

Googling "ads in windows 10" shows lots of examples. https://www.google.com/search?q=ads+in+windows+10&tbm=isch Does that answer your question?

Also googling how to remove ads in Windows 10 shows a bunch of solutions.

From your link, it seems most ads are on live tiles. It's really easy to turn that feature off. (No one likes live tiles anyway)

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