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Post by maxerickson »

rapind wrote: post #323
iammisc wrote: post #314

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> cites 16 Calories per edible Calorie of meat and 8 grams of protein per edible gram of protein produced. Two things. Firstly, those are 16 Calories that would otherwise quite literally go to waste. They would be metabolized by bacteria, used to grow a bacterial mat in a compost bin, and then be released into the air in the form of CO2. Secondly, I'm not sure what 8g of protein per edible gram of protein produced me…

Don’t we grow food specifically for livestock though? That must consume a lot of resources (oil, water, etc). I think the argument is the cut out the middle man (beef / chicken) due to inefficiencies. I personally suspect the real ratio is less than what’s being cited just because I’m a cynic, but there seems to be some logic to it no?

Yes, lots of agriculture is growing animal feed.

Animals get feds lots and lots. Here's a description of finishing cattle, from a beef marketing perspective:

https://www.highlandcattleusa.org/content/Grain%20Finished%2...

Casually talks about feeding cattle their weight (or 2x) in corn over the last 3 months of their lives.

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Post by tfehring »

iammisc wrote: post #314
tfehring wrote: post #209

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It's true that most of the food consumed by livestock isn't edible by humans - [0] says 86% - but livestock are so inefficient at converting food to edible nutrition that they still generally consume more than 1 human-edible Calorie per Calorie of meat produced. For cattle, Diet for a Small Planet [1] cites 16 Calories per edible Calorie of meat and 8 grams of protein per edible gram of protein produced, other source…

> cites 16 Calories per edible Calorie of meat and 8 grams of protein per edible gram of protein produced. Two things. Firstly, those are 16 Calories that would otherwise quite literally go to waste. They would be metabolized by bacteria, used to grow a bacterial mat in a compost bin, and then be released into the air in the form of CO2. Secondly, I'm not sure what 8g of protein per edible gram of protein produced me…

I agree that 86% of those Calories would otherwise go to waste. But considering how bad animal agriculture is for the environment just in terms of direct impacts, I doubt that feeding them to animals is an improvement over the alternative you mentioned, and I highly doubt that it's the optimal solution across all the potential alternative disposal methods we could come up with.

The plants that cattle and many other livestock eat - including grasses, corn, and other feed crops - contains protein. The exact amount depends on the plant, its age, and growing conditions, but it's often 10 to 15% by mass. Cows apparently consume about eight grams of protein for every gram of protein that makes it to humans' plates, with the rest of the amino acids presumably making up inedible organs and/or being used for bodily functions while they're alive.

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Post by shafyy »

Leherenn wrote: post #311
tofukid wrote: post #134

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All essential amino acids are found in plants, and some plant proteins (soy or hemp for example) contain all the essentials in a single protein.

Is it in a "reasonable" amount? As in, is the concentration comparable?

Yes, there is an index called the Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score which shows exactly this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_Digestibility_Correcte...

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Post by shafyy »

djrogers wrote: post #225
shafyy wrote: post #78

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Which part is not clear?

For one thing, plant based meats require a ton of resources, and for another there’s no clear evidence that it’s any healthier than vat grown meat.

Ok, let's leave out the health part because nutritional health is a tricky topic. We could argue days and nights about this.

But what we can tell for certain is that it does not require a ton of resources. The cultured cells in the bioreactor also need energy and nutrtients from somewhere, they don't just create it out of thin air. The energy and nutrtients ultimately comes from plants.

Basic physics dictates that there will be a conversion loss. So it is always better to directly eat the plants than to feed plants to something else and eat that.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

mmazing wrote: post #322
marcus_holmes wrote: post #205

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It's a pretty binary decision (eat animals or not). What does the slope look like?

Your version: Lab grown meat -> everyone agrees eating animals is immoral -> various extreme examples of society completely changing It's also entirely possible that lab grown meat becomes prevalent and simply coexists with raising animals for food for the foreseeable future.

I don't think that's how humans work. There's a possibility of moral high ground here, so someone is bound to take it.

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Post by gbear605 »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #174
marcus_holmes wrote: post #42

I always wonder about the morality questions. This is like a lab experiment for subjective morality. For the sake of the experiment, let's assume the sci-fi writers are right, and eating animals will eventually be considered immoral. This is an extreme stance at the moment (hello PETA) but let's assume it will eventually be accepted as the only moral stance. How long will it be between the introduction of lab-grown m…

I think it's going to be interesting simply because in order to ban killing of animals for food, we're going to have to almost genocide livestock in order to make their continued existence feasible.

It’ll probably come gradually, without any sudden jump. More and more people will switch over because of convenience, so most of the market left will be there for higher quality products, and then they’ll ban the most egregious factory farming that isn’t being used anymore, and so on until only the most boutique animal farming is left, at which point no one will care.

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Post by gbear605 »

ttt0 wrote: post #239
billti wrote: post #167

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I've considered stuff like this a lot lately, as there seems to be a lot of hypocrisy amongst commonly held positions (including mine). I find it odd that people who truly believe in evolution, and that humans are just smarter animals, and that animals are also capable of sensing pain and emotion, can be deeply concerned (rightfully) about things such as trans rights, gender discrimination, etc. for humans (that are…

> are perfectly content to pay for meat they know was the product of an industry which is pretty horrific in its treatment of billions of cows, pigs, etc. a year. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a sound? What do you think happens to animals in the wilderness? Do you think they live a happy life, retire and have a peaceful death among the loved ones? The answer is no, they get brutally…

Animals in the wild live a much nicer life than most animals in factory farms today. It’s not a 1-1 comparison at all, just because both can be brutal.

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Post by gbear605 »

ninjavis wrote: post #336

Looking forward to all the new cancer cases due to this. But, seriously, manipulating something the way God intended it to be always results in dire consequences. But of course, no one will care, it's all money money money

Which is why you only use natural fibers right, never synthetic ones? And you definitely don’t wear blends (directly proscribed by God).
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