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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by newacct583 »

EastSmith wrote: post #165
newacct583 wrote: post #144

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> The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Like what? The phone browser works just great. IIRC there's a nag dialog that prompts you once to install the app, then it caches the answer and shuts up.

> The phone browser works just great. No, it is not. I can not access any subreddit without installing an app (which I am not going to do).

Sorry... I literally do this every day of my life, across several devices. I'm just on Firefox on Android, it's not like it's a weird setup or anything. What are you running that reddit won't let you into a subreddit?

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Post by snickerer »

We urgently need a functional P2P protocol for social media. Something where I can quickly and easily show my stuff to my friends - and vice versa. From my device to your device.

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Post by jude- »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

You can advertise without abusing the user.

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Post by ReaLNero »

867-5309 wrote: post #320
tgtweak wrote: post #48

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Pinterest and Reddit are not better these days. The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Every time my wife sends me a Pinterest link I just ask her to screenshot it as I can't see shit on the default mobile page. I don't even know why Google continues to allow them in the results when there is clear-cut policies around showing som…

for Reddit, you can "sign up" with a bogus email address and still interact (browse, join, comment, vote, message) freely. the only possible downside is it asks you to verify your email address every launch, but I don't see this as a downside since I am using Reddit anonymously, and it is easily dismissed. been doing this for over a year now

What's valuable is your interests so that they know what ads to put in your face. Whether or not your email is linked to you is irrelevant -- you can click on ads all the same. This solution doesn't save you from the data mining they do on your usage.

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Post by baby »

I feel like most websites used to be like that. And then suddenly we got a load of great websites that just gave us what we wanted without ads. Facebook, youtube, reddit, google maps, gmail, etc. Now things are changing once again.

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Post by tomc1985 »

saurik wrote: post #348
tomc1985 wrote: post #328

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A bloated payroll to support a bloated advertising platform with a bloated AI-based recommendation algorithm when all it should be doing is loading a descending-order list of most recent submissions meeting the category criteria.... Don't talk about costs, this crap is self-inflicted

The hosting and bandwidth costs of images and especially video is non-trivial. I agree that the vast majority of the costs of these overly-large companies comes from what happens while trying to make them profitable, and then all of the engineering work that goes into that... but that all starts because running the site in the first place wasn't free and you have to do something to make them at least sustainable, wit…

How about running ads but not letting them dominate your product? I see nothing wrong with running a costs-plus business model but VC comes in and demand all these stupid companies dominate the world so they can get their 500x return or whatever. Then they go public and now the only thing that matters is shareholder value, fuck the users and OG supporters...

Every one of these companies start with a nice mission and it ends up getting perverted into the hellscape that is tech today. Every damn time.

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Post by RandyRanderson »

fishtoaster wrote: post #37

I'm glad we now have a name for this. If I may take a stab at a more formal, reusable definition of the Fuck You pattern: A UI pattern whereby content a user wants is provided, then yanked away before it can be consumed, to be replaced by a demand for something the site wants (log in, sign up, subscribe, pay, etc). It's distinct from merely providing a limited amount of content in the first place, as when a site offe…

unless you're logged in, pinterest is only this, has some searches essentially 'SE-Owned' and has been doing this for ~7 years. They're the OG of this.

Pinttern?

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Post by Groxx »

Traster wrote: post #286
Groxx wrote: post #247

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You can still collect (a lot) more information than classical advertising in print or on TV gets, and that seems to work alright.

Actually I think it's the opposite - online advertising is so ineffective all this micro-targetting is the minimum required to persuade people to throw their money away. In reality how do I target someone in New York? I buy an ad in the NYT.

It's frequently ineffective because it's frequently done mindlessly, because it's possible to do so at enormous scale for low cost.

The equivalent in the online world would be to pay site X to show ad Y at times Q-Z. And then you just trust that they'll do so, like you have to do for print/TV ads, and pay the site. That does happen, and you can find quite a lot of company blog posts out there saying that it works, but it's much more manual so yeah. It isn't the majority.

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Post by pietrovismara »

dmkolobov wrote: post #253
tshaddox wrote: post #162

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> What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical infrastructure and staffing so you can sit at home and spend your time looking at cats for free? Is that really fair? Would there be nowhere to see pictures of cats without their millions of dollars in infrastructure and staffing? Or could it be that their millions of dollars in infrastructure and staffing for selling ads is the reason the go…

So, which do you want? A go-to place to see , or a ton of smaller forums and communities?

Have many smaller ones and aggregate them by yourself with RSS feeds.

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Post by einpoklum »

matt123456789 wrote: post #294
einpoklum wrote: post #128

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This should help: https://sumtips.com/software/browsers/set-user-agent-on-a-pe...

Those Windows 7 screenshots evoke a sense of nostalgia for the time before a Windows that broadcasts and monetizes my every action. I think an even bigger “fuck you” pattern is when an OS that I paid for tracks me and monetizes my private information. Maybe I’m just getting old.

Nope; Windows is getting old :-P

Time to switch to another OS. Consider some newbie-friendly Linux, like Mint (linuxmint.com).

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