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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#321
My challenge with this is that, I believe, you think instagram is a free service. It isn't, you pay for the service by selling your data to advertisers and using your data for advertisement. If they don't have your data, you aren't paying for the service.

I hate this and also, I don't use their service - same for facebook.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#322

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

If that's the case then Instagram should not entice people in by temporarily granting access. It should be upfront about requiring an account.

And furthermore all the content should be delisted from Google for cloaking https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/guideline...

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#323
I don't understand why Zoom doesn't get more flak for this. Their web version is intentionally crippled and broken in an attempt to force users to download their app. They won't even show the link to join a meeting with the web version until you have failed to join with the app (it used to require 3 failed attempts, but they seem to have dropped that to a single failed attempt).

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#324

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

I'm pretty sure that if they had non-targeted (or at least targeted not based on tracking), unobtrusive ads, and zero dark patterns, they would've been still earning enough money to cover their expenses and then some. Unfortunately, they've set out to earn all the money in the world for no benefit to anyone at all.

If you manage to build a large enough empire, then... and only then, can you make the world a better place.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#325
Instagram have a paywall, to be able to see the content you must pay with your data by creating an account, and later hopefully become addicted to the platform to give more data and eat as many ads as possible.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#326

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

1/ They bait people in to destroy any sane competition. Then they milk them.

2/ Well fuck you even further and go to hell for defending such behaviours.

3/ ps. Their infra is ridiculous. A team of 100-120 engineers can do way better. They can’t get their user base though because of 1/

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#327
post #5

Reddit is full of these patterns in order to drive users from mobile web to app. Reddit mobile web really sets the bar for user-hostile UI in my opinion.

What is worse, is that even though I installed the official app to squelch this nonsense (the Fuck You Pattern is effective) the mobile site still prompts with "Open in the Reddit App". When I click it my iPhone opens the App Store. The App Store then has a big blue "Open" button to launch the app, but of course all context is lost and opening from there brings you to your Reddit front page.

So much this. Now that I know it works this way, I just try to ignore any promising-looking search results from any of the sites that do this, because I don’t feel like trying to search for the same thing in their app because they broke their mobile site and broke the “open in app” by assuming I don’t already have it.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#328
post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical infrastructure and staffing so you can sit at home and spend your time looking at cats for free? No, they have your attention and they're going to connect you to organizations who will pay for it. "The infrastructure" to share cat pictures cost peanuts. It's the addictive dark patterns and montezation/tracking that costs millions. That's the irony.

Shouldnt you include engineers compensation in "The infrastructure" thats where a lot of money goes.

A bloated payroll to support a bloated advertising platform with a bloated AI-based recommendation algorithm when all it should be doing is loading a descending-order list of most recent submissions meeting the category criteria....

Don't talk about costs, this crap is self-inflicted

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#329

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

"X is self evident, but maybe not to you," seems to me like a fundamentally flawed argument.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit's new UI is still hilariously terrible. The day they remove old.reddit.com is the day I stop using the site. Who the hell thinks what I want when I click on an article is to bring it into a related article feed with 1.5 comments showing? If I accidentally click outside of the article area the whole thing vanishes with no way to get back where I was. I had thought these issues would be obvious and they would cl…

Agreed about old.reddit.com. I feel pretty old saying this, but I really miss the days of straightforward web design. Everything now is so chaotic that I'm never really sure what clicking anything will do. It feels like design for the sake of design, not for the sake of the users.

I'm still shocked Craigslist has survived, virtually unchanged, since 1996.

It's may not be the cleanest interface, but it's a nice reminder of the more utilitarian days.

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