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#272Bibliogram is an unofficial front end to Instagram. Among other features, it won't prompt you to log in. Here's Ollie's page on Bibliogram:
https://bibliogram.art/u/polite_cat_olli_official
Reddit on mobile is also beginning to require logging in to view certain pages, in which case you can use:
Or
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#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kinda offtopic but Instagram's ads changed my attitude towards ads, and my attitude towards Facebook's creepy level of insight into my life and personality. If they have that data anyway -- and hundreds of companies do -- I might as well benefit from it, and Instagram's ads were the first ones that I actually found interesting. First of all, it was obvious when something was an ad. Second, they weren't intrusive or o…
> If they have that data anyway -- and hundreds of companies do -- I might as well benefit from it, and Instagram's ads were the first ones that I actually found interesting. I always feel a little depressed when someone describes being more effectively manipulated as "benefiting."
Subjectively it's the difference between "why am I getting ads for pregnancy tests and skirts, I'm a basement-dwelling troglodyte" and "wtf, they're actually showing me things I'd want to buy (if I had money)".
Joke's on them either way, they somehow haven't figured out I'm broke! But the difference is between "spying + garbage ads" and "spying + a bunch of cool shit I didn't even know existed" I'm gonna go for the latter.
Obviously the correct answer is neither: just use Adblock and/or pay for services you use and enjoy. For example I paid for YouTube premium so I could get an ad-free experience on mobile (because YouTube ads are somehow both horribly intrusive and horribly irrelevant, despite Google's apparent omniscience!).
By all accounts Google should know much more about me than Facebook does, but somehow their ads invoke a response somewhere between mild irritation and outright rage and disgust. Meanwhile on Instagram: "hey, I really like this backpack", "wtf they're selling psilocybin in capsules now? And I can just buy it? Nobody even told me that existed! Thanks Instagram!" Like I said, that was a pretty surreal moment for me.
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#275"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…
> This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't.
I'm fine with businesses who use that model and make it clear. Those kinds of tactics are galling coming from a company whose literal mission statement is "Give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together."
If you want people to make an account, make a more compelling business proposition. Gatekeeping seems like the most vulnerable, monopolistic position to take.
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#276Exactly this about Instagram and Facebook bother me a little bit too, and here is something that most people also don't experience: I sometimes use a VPS from a popular cloud provider as a proxy for my web browsing. I frequently get asked to "Prove I'm not a robot". This happens on all kinds of sites, including Youtube, Paypal, some government sites, etc. It is annoying enough, but Facebook as well as Instagram won't…
The same happens when you use Linux as your desktop OS together with an ad-blocker. I guess it trips off some anti-bot rules.
My favorite is Google's captcha where they let visitors solve their machine learning classification problem by asking them to classify images.
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#277"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…
Until they populate all the top search results with those patterns.
This apologies for any unethical practice by companies in Reddit/HNs are really interesting. They side completely with the authorities. Properly trained.
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#278Reddit, Pinterest, and Twitter also do this, and I wish I could exclude them from Google search results.
The worst offense IMO is that even if you do take their bait to “use the app”, they punt you to the App Store page, losing the URL you were on in the process, so even though I have all of those apps installed, it’s not possible to click through from a Google result then open that same post in the app. At that point, I don’t try to search for the same thing in the app, I just convince myself that it’s not worth it and abandon any attempt to access that content. They can keep it.
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
And that is quite a feat given how little information I hace willingly given Facebook compared to how I - until a few years ago - more or less volunteeres my data to Google. Google knew everything about it and yet couldn't manage to serve anything but the sleaziest ads. Instagram got the table scraps and yet convinced me to buy at least one thing that I'm actually happy with.
Yep, seconded. Stopped using FB years ago and I use Instagram for two of my passions - tiny houses and boobs. And, somehow, Instagram figured out that I wanted to buy a Remarkable 2 ;) But yeah, joking aside, Instagram was the one of few places I actually saw ads of things I wanted to buy. Sure, the ads tried to rip my eyes out for those products ($50 for a product I found for $5) but still...
As an aside, people complain that Twitter is a toxic place, but if you exclusively subscribe to art accounts, it's one of the most beautiful places on the internet.
Asian artists are an even safer bet: they only post art. How refreshing!
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#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder what their relative market share is. Lots of the people that have been on Reddit for years may user old.reddit. I certainly do. I really can't stand their hostility to no using their app on mobile though. The UX seems purposely difficult to drive users towards the app, for the obvious reason of greater access to user data most likely.
One of their biggest hurdles to overcome is, I gather, that a lot of the super large subreddits' moderator teams are exclusively on old.reddit.com for moderation. If they break old.reddit.com completely right now, a lot of the biggest subs would implode with bots, spam, and angry human word-vomit. If they fix the moderation story for new reddit, I'd imagine they have a pretty quick path towards obsoleting old reddit…
> They've already 'fixed' modmail for new reddit. So I think they're actively working on that problem.
Though that has had some funny issues. One thing I noticed was the enrollment for the new modmail. It is on the settings page on old reddit for a sub, but I couldn't find it anywhere for the new reddit UI. Wacky.