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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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tgtweak wrote: post #48
klyrs wrote: post #13

I love instagram. It's the best social media site. Last time I checked, I couldn't even make an account from my desktop computer. I'm not gonna even try to install their app on my G-free phone. When a friends sends me a link to Instagram, I know that I don't need to click on it -- the thumbnail contains all the information that I'd ever see without creating an account. When news articles consist of a bunch of embedde…

Pinterest and Reddit are not better these days. The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Every time my wife sends me a Pinterest link I just ask her to screenshot it as I can't see shit on the default mobile page. I don't even know why Google continues to allow them in the results when there is clear-cut policies around showing som…

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Post by Laforet »

Scoundreller wrote: post #192
Bilters wrote: post #184

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Whenever I put a google search down, and see one page of Pinterest on there I immediately go back to the search box and go for; “-site:pinterest.*”. I absolutely hate that site with a passion.

Is there a Google option to perma-ban a domain? Maybe a place I can upload a HOSTS file? Or an extension that adds this to every search?

You can try this extension. It was forked from a project once maintained and abandoned by Google themselves.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/personal-blocklist...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/personal-bloc...

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by whoisjuan »

tshaddox wrote: post #162
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

> What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical infrastructure and staffing so you can sit at home and spend your time looking at cats for free? Is that really fair? Would there be nowhere to see pictures of cats without their millions of dollars in infrastructure and staffing? Or could it be that their millions of dollars in infrastructure and staffing for selling ads is the reason the go…

Aggregation and distribution are virtues of large communities, not small ones. The sophistication of Facebok's business is what allows the creation and distribution of content. I agree that if Facebook, Snap, Pinterest, Reddit, Nextdoor, Twitter etc, didn't exist, small communities would fill that void... But they would do through a fragmented and siloed user experience that is hardly discoverable for the majority of the connected world.

This is the equivalent of running a taxi business vs running an airline. Sure, a taxi can fulfill several transportation needs but it could never replace what an airline does.

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Post by davesmylie »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #216
nvr219 wrote: post #204

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Reddit (the service) is tons better than Pinterest, facebook, instagram... I think it's totally out of line to group Reddit in with them. The new reddit website is total trash but you can use like 99% of reddit without ever visiting the website. I use Apollo for example, and there are many other apps you can use or develop your own. You can also use old.reddit.com. Access to reddit is much more open than any of these…

Reddit on desktop is still okay. The mobile version of Reddit is deliberately broken in order to force you to use the app. Many subreddits can't be viewed, you can only view the first couple of comments in each thread, the front page is hidden behind a huge nag screen,...

> The mobile version of Reddit is deliberately broken in order to force you to use the app.

fyi - if you use old reddit, the mobile site is fine - I've never seen a subreddit blocked or threads truncated.

new reddit is a pile of steaming dogsh

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Post by MikeDelta »

rescripting wrote: post #100
judge2020 wrote: post #34

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Reddit's app registers itself as a uri handler for reddit links but (thanks to google) AMP or iframe results don't prompt the actual system uri handler that would take you to the app.

Oh wow, is this what happens when multiple Fuck You Patterns collide?

"Don't cross the streams."

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by pnt12 »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

That's quite a ridiculous claim. Surely they can display ads to anonymous users, That's not hard at all. But then they can't track you and profile you, which is a big no.

Now is it fair for a company to track and shape the behavior of millions of people?

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by trey-jones »

Exactly this about Instagram and Facebook bother me a little bit too, and here is something that most people also don't experience:

I sometimes use a VPS from a popular cloud provider as a proxy for my web browsing. I frequently get asked to "Prove I'm not a robot". This happens on all kinds of sites, including Youtube, Paypal, some government sites, etc. It is annoying enough, but Facebook as well as Instagram won't let me see _anything_ without logging in (which I don't). So can't even check the Lunch menu for a local restaurant on Facebook over this proxy.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by dheera »

tbrock wrote: post #137

Im not sure why this person would expect to see the content while logged out. Shrug. Its part of a social network, if everyone was lurking it would just be a bunch of creepers. The product shows who viewed a post/story/reel etc and can't do that if you arent logged in.

If so they should not even show the page to begin with. I'd be fine with that.

(It's an intentionally public page about cat pictures, by the way, so it wouldn't be creepy for anonymous internet users to look at. It's only private Instagram pages that would be creepy in that sense.)

Letting you browse public content for 5 seconds before asking you log in is a "fuck you" pattern.

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