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SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

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Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

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These incidents really illustrate the main flaw of smart contracts: a single bug in your code can lead to incredible losses. I simply don't think it's possible for human beings to write good enough software for smart contracts.

Would an "upgradeable" crypto-coin solve that flaw?

Upgrade to fiat currency that the rest of the world runs on and doesn't have these problems?

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A point that most crypto heads miss is that the world does not run algorithmically. Legal contracts do not work like a software program and that characteristic is a feature not a bug. Not being able to reverse transactions that were part of an exploit is in infact a bug. Businesses need that tolerance for error. You need an oracle in your system. The oracle can maintain transparency of the attestations carried out if…

So long as these are software errors, we can fix them. We can't drain swamps, though.

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I honestly don't understand why this coin even makes the news. At $250K it was less than a microcap penny token. It's insignificant and not worth a print.

No kidding. Losing $250k on a bug would, relatively speaking, be a good day at my company.

Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

#164
There are more than $100b of stablecoins — 285x year-over-year growth — with a variety of very interesting and high-quality stablecoins proliferating. And of course, Hacker News focuses on some garbage project nobody in the space even followed.

How is there no discussion about FRAX, Maker's DAI, USDC, CRV's 3pool token, Liquity's LUSD, and so many other interesting projects?

Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm gonna be honest I don't know what the audience is for a product where you risk losing your entire life savings because you typed a wrong word in a smart contract rather than paying a middleman a fraction of a percent. It's almost like a sort of willful ignorance of division of labour and the concept of pooling risk.

Doing illegal things, mostly. If you are working a w2 job and paying taxes and paying your mortgage / auto loan... crypto doesn't really help you. Blackmail? Awesome. Buying illegal substances? Awesome. Gambling? You got it...

You said it, when you are a debtor fiat with its constant debasement is great. For creditors fiat doesn't work that well.

Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

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post #31

A point that most crypto heads miss is that the world does not run algorithmically. Legal contracts do not work like a software program and that characteristic is a feature not a bug. Not being able to reverse transactions that were part of an exploit is in infact a bug. Businesses need that tolerance for error. You need an oracle in your system. The oracle can maintain transparency of the attestations carried out if…

Much of the world literally does run algorithmically. Literally every day you trust your life, privacy and money to algorithms that make decisions without human intervention. The financial system trades trillions of dollars in automated systems that make split-second decisions in a way that precludes human supervision. Hedge funds and banks already trust algorithms that if broken could lose billions. The existence of…

> The existence of flawed software does not mean that it’s impossible to make reliable or trustworthy software.

It also doesn't mean that it is economically feasible to make 100% reliable or trustworthy software.

> If you’ll never trust your money to a smart contract no matter how vetted, then I’d recommend you never fly a plane or store personal data in the cloud.

Isn't vetting of contracts the opposite of having a no human touch algorithmically run world?

And who does the vetting of the code? Who does the vetting of the people the vet the code? Who does the vetting of the people that run the code?

To have your money in smart contracts right now is tantamount to seeing those 737 max plane crashes in the past, then plugging your ears with your fingers and saying I can't wait to fly on a 737 max tomorrow. It's kind of a mess out there right now [1].

[1] https://cryptoslate.com/binance-smart-chain-sounds-alarm-ove...

Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

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post #31

A point that most crypto heads miss is that the world does not run algorithmically. Legal contracts do not work like a software program and that characteristic is a feature not a bug. Not being able to reverse transactions that were part of an exploit is in infact a bug. Businesses need that tolerance for error. You need an oracle in your system. The oracle can maintain transparency of the attestations carried out if…

I'm gonna be honest I don't know what the audience is for a product where you risk losing your entire life savings because you typed a wrong word in a smart contract rather than paying a middleman a fraction of a percent. It's almost like a sort of willful ignorance of division of labour and the concept of pooling risk.

The audience is the people who don’t want to deal with the government for whatever reasons, the most obvious one is doing something illegal like buying drugs or costly like sending money overseas in developing countries.

Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

#168

I honestly don't understand why this coin even makes the news. At $250K it was less than a microcap penny token. It's insignificant and not worth a print.

Despite the low liquidity on the exchange, the market cap of the token was supposedly $250M: https://twitter.com/Mudit__Gupta/status/1409463917290557440?...

Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

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post #31

A point that most crypto heads miss is that the world does not run algorithmically. Legal contracts do not work like a software program and that characteristic is a feature not a bug. Not being able to reverse transactions that were part of an exploit is in infact a bug. Businesses need that tolerance for error. You need an oracle in your system. The oracle can maintain transparency of the attestations carried out if…

I think the word „smart contract“ does not actually describe them very good. Of course, a piece of software can not replace a legal contract, really, because software is stupid and inflexible.

Think of smart contracts rather as vending machines for financial transactions. For example: You enter some crypto coins, maybe select an option and the machine returns a receipt for redeeming your investment plus some interest later.

If the machine is well designed it will forever do the same thing and, hence, be reliable and convenient. Of course, bugs can happen. But like with vending machines, you test and audit its code before deploying it everywhere.

Re: SafeDollar ‘stablecoin’ drops to $0 following DeFi exploit on Polygon

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post #98

These incidents really illustrate the main flaw of smart contracts: a single bug in your code can lead to incredible losses. I simply don't think it's possible for human beings to write good enough software for smart contracts.

> I simply don't think it's possible for human beings to write good enough software for smart contracts. I agree, but think it's fixable. I believe we have missed a natural platform in between binary notation and computer languages. I believe there is a 2-D dimensional binary. Simply using a grid (with an array of cells forming a line, and lines stacked on top of each other—a spreadsheet basically), we can drop *all*…

Can you elaborate on your last paragraph or point me somewhere?
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