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Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by tokai »

IMTDb wrote: post #28
tokai wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is stated in the article. The first voxpop is from a Mind Cymru project. They are a Welsh non-profit working with mental health. The other one from Royal College of General Practitioners Wales. You can find their oppinion here[0] and the study with the specific 50% figure here[1]. I think you are overselling how little information is provided. Taking in account the venue and audience it is still easy to look up mo…

You might argue that a non-profit organisation that describes itself as "[...] an unstoppable community of people in Wales who won't give up [...]" (See: https://www.mind.org.uk/about-us/mind-cymru/ ) might not be the most neutral entity that can produce non biased studies/data. I do believe in their cause, and "raising awareness" usually is a major mission for these orgs. But "raising awareness" is a marketing/commu…

>You might argue that a non-profit organisation that describes

I'm not. You are arguing against something in your own mind.

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

tstrimple wrote: post #86
wruza wrote: post #62

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You can only get -4, so it depends on how much upvotes in a row you get (until you’re flagged). That said, “it’s fault of feminists and liberals” is not what he meant, afaiu. He is complaining about the lack of attention to all “boring” problems like men suicide only because there are some fast-fashion peak problems which are supported by those who have less to do in their life. Again, afaiu. While my views are diffe…

It's funny how these sort of posts only seem to bring up male suicide when talking about feminism. It's almost like they don't actually care about male suicide as a problem just as a handy cudgel to be used against feminism. Yet when the conversation turns to things which actually have a major impact on suicide among men like toxic masculinity, they often deny such things even exist or is really just an attack agains…

Feminists only want to blame "toxic masculinity" (which I believe is a real thing but feminists often define toxic masculinity as all masculinity) for male suicide rates and is just as disingenuous as the point you think your making

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

mkr-hn wrote: post #26
raxxorrax wrote: post #10

My impression was that more and more people withdraw because the "public" has become quite toxic.

There's definitely an element of the last several years revealing how many people are just awful human beings. I'm wary of spending time getting to know someone only to find out they think certain people (like me) don't deserve equal rights, or something like that. I know on some level people were always like that. Bad ideas are pervasive and always have been. But there's more echo chambers reinforcing bad ideas now.…

Individualism, which I'm an advocate for just not as rabid as our society has taken it, makes people awful. If you don't temper it when all the qualities you need to participate ans belong to real communities, individualism is toxic.

Its like hedonism. If you don't temper non-conformiry and sensation seeking with higher goals for your mental and physical health, your social standing, the quality of your participating in your family or in your ability to rear a child, it's destructive.

Hedonism, individualism, consumerism, these are all toxic without self-restraint for higher goals.

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by astura »

asdev wrote: post #18
weavie wrote: post #9

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This could do with a sign up so I can get a reminder when it launches. I am guaranteed to forget about it by then otherwise.

do you think email sign up would be preferrable? I was thinking it's better to get people to follow the Instagram account so I can reach them when I launch

You should do both.

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by mxmilkiib »

mxmilkiib wrote: post #87
pmoriarty wrote: post #84

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Having architecture which encouraged communal living would help, but much more needs to be done. Even when people are in common areas way too many have their noses buried in their cell phones or laptops. City dwellers are often incredibly distrustful of strangers. They complain of being lonely but few make much of an effort to meet new people or deepen existing relationships. Architecture alone is not going to solve…

Well, naturally, yes, it's just one part of the picture, and I didn't think I was expressing that it wasn't, so I don't think it's really fair to assume that I was only thinking of this as the one solution and write a reply based on that. New more social architecture is literally one of the solutions available for providing opportunity for people to meet new people. And oof, a downvote to 0 on my original fair-enough…

And now -1? Dang, sorry to rub your lamp, thanks for your eventual reply to my mail about the rational for flagged posts a while back and for asking for ideas then (I didn't reply again as I didn't have one then, but saying "Post flagged by users" would remove ambiguity from that system), but to save time now; single dimensional democracy without checks and balances is what makes this world unsustainable. Please seriously consider bringing the advancement of metamoderation that made Slashdot and kuro5hin not be sucked to a place where it feels like fair participation is not unjustly muted.

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by sizzle »

pmoriarty wrote: post #85
_notathrowaway wrote: post #44

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I feel bad about you man, and I wish people in this website could recognize your experience rather than simply downvote it because it is not aligned with their political views.

"simply downvote it because it is not aligned with their political views" The parent poster is literally seething with hatred. If that doesn't deserve a downvote on HN, regardless of your political views, I don't know what does. We've also seen many times that hatred against women in online forums has led to acts of violence against women in real life. That also deserves to be called out and condemned, regardless of…

Would his perspective change if he had a girlfriend or a wife? I think he would be able to better empathize with the opposite sex.

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by DougN7 »

laurent92 wrote: post #35

Since lockdowns, I hate everybody. I just broke up with the idea that we are a society. No, we’re just insane people who are eating at other people’s sanity, using lockdowns as a means to dismantle our fellow citizen. How to become homeless when you start millionaire and CEO of a small/moderate company? Well this is the first and main step, because on any major problem, you are alone and no-one is going to testify in…

I think it helps a lot to understand why people think differently than you. People (like your parents) didn’t vote for social distancing and shutting down the economy because they are evil. They’re not deserving of hate. When this all started it wasn’t clear how many millions might have died. So they were choosing the less worse option from what they knew. And who knows - maybe all those precautions ended up saving millions of lives. Give people the benefit of the doubt - the vast, vast majority of us are doing the best we can with what we know and understand and given our constraints.

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by jdporter »

> Loneliness is a widespread problem, even prior to pandemic

Tell me about it.

> often associated with the older generation - despite more young people struggling with loneliness.

Thanks for the age shaming.

> Three times as many young people deal with loneliness compared to older people.

I do wonder what dark hole you pulled that factoid out of.

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by jdporter »

jdporter wrote: post #98

> Loneliness is a widespread problem, even prior to pandemic Tell me about it. > often associated with the older generation - despite more young people struggling with loneliness. Thanks for the age shaming. > Three times as many young people deal with loneliness compared to older people. I do wonder what dark hole you pulled that factoid out of.

I do feel bad for those who have lost their social net during the pandemic; loneliness sucks, I know it. At the same time, I find it hard to be sympathetic because - it must be nice to have had a social net to lose! For me personally, the isolation of the last year and a half has been a barely noticeable difference from the decades prior.

Re: Loneliness a 'bigger health risk than smoking or obesity'

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Post by lovelyviking »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #19
lovelyviking wrote: post #16

"enable me to get on a path out of loneliness" The whole article is about loneliness and it was not clear for me what they mean by 'loneliness'? How it is defined? What we can consider as already a 'loneliness' and when we can say it is not yet there?

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loneliness Loneliness is an unpleasant emotional response to perceived isolation. Loneliness is also described as social pain—a psychological mechanism which motivates individuals to seek social connections. It really wasn't hard to find.

>... to perceived isolation ...

This is what I call - undefined. You can "percieve" it whenever you want/need/wish/like etc

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