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Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by emodendroket »

drag0nite wrote: post #107
emodendroket wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you can do in that situation if you don't know where the person lives and they're in a foreign country whose language you don't speak. Who do you even contact?

The person who wrote the note said they had coffee with Near in Akihabara on June 9th. That would imply they both are in Japan, so none of that thinking would apply here.

Well help me out here. Where are we going with this? The most unfavorable interpretation I can think of is that he’s not really dead at all and was “only” compelled to drop out of his friend community and give up his life’s work.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by sitkack »

shadowgovt wrote: post #130
philpem wrote: post #112

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People have been complaining for years about some of the content they shield (KF especially). The site is responsible for at least one previous suicide. Their response is always the same... to forward the complaints onto the abuser for them to laugh at. Cloudflare has only ever intervened in matters like this when the mainstream press has given them an absolute and utter kicking. The sad fact is, when you have your o…

Would anything stop the de-peered providers from peeing with each other, leading to a balkanized internet?

ISVs would love it, you could sign up for multiple networks. It would be like paying for a gateway provider to reach an existing walled garden like China.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by dahfizz »

philpem wrote: post #113
umvi wrote: post #23

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> There needs to be a wider discussion of responsibility of hosting providers for the actions of their customers How about holding the actual bullies accountable instead of shifting accountability to the ISP/Host? What happens in real life (i.e. outside the context of the internet) if bullies harass someone with hate mail until that person commits suicide? Does the blame shift away from the bullies to USPS or FedEx f…

I absolutely agree with making the bullies accountable, and making the networks accountable should only be in addition to that. The guy who runs the site is a US citizen. If the police don't give a damn (which seems to be the case)... why aren't US citizens writing to their representatives about this?

> why aren't US citizens writing to their representatives about this?

Does that actually do anything?

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by sitkack »

emodendroket wrote: post #89
falcolas wrote: post #87

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Don’t you believe that actions should have consequences? Do you believe that psychological attacks can have a lasting impact? Do you think that threatening someone’s friends and families is a reasonable act? Do you agree that getting an intermediary to kill a third party is still murder? Why can’t the intermediary also be the third party? This was a pre-meditated and coordinated long term psychological attack, with t…

I think it is difficult to get the definition of such a law right. You don't want to send someone for jail just for, e.g., frequently arguing with someone and sometimes insulting them.

If the intent is to kill, and the person died through their actions, then it is murder.

The methods and means don't need to be enumerated. The intent and the end state are what is defined in law.

Both the US and Japan have standing here to charge KF members with murder and those that run KF as an accomplice.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by papreclip »

_etyf wrote: post #118
dexwiz wrote: post #13

Kiwi Farms is vile. I stumbled upon it while researching someone who turned out to be a target of one of their hate campaign. Its a PHP Forum-style site, but with entire sub forums dedicated to small groups and event specific people. Long running topics would be an entire persons hate campaign against them. The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they h…

>The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they have done to harass people, updates on past targets, ideas for future hate, and justification about why this person deserves it. Sounds a lot like Twitter.

The biggest difference is that you're thinking about a very nasty 0.1% of twitter that use the platform to harass, whereas harassment is the primary purpose of this site.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by emodendroket »

sitkack wrote: post #144
emodendroket wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is difficult to get the definition of such a law right. You don't want to send someone for jail just for, e.g., frequently arguing with someone and sometimes insulting them.

If the intent is to kill, and the person died through their actions, then it is murder. The methods and means don't need to be enumerated. The intent and the end state are what is defined in law. Both the US and Japan have standing here to charge KF members with murder and those that run KF as an accomplice.

Perhaps it doesn’t bother you but I’m worried about giving prosecutors yet another extremely broad tool that they can use to put people in jail on dubious grounds.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by sersi »

I'll always remember fondly bsnes, near's life work should be celebrated given how much he contributed to emulation accuracy, to preserve such an important part of history for all to experience in the future. It's very sad to hear of his passing and it's even sadder and more infuriating to think that he was driven to suicide.

Kiwi Farms is a vile, awful place and encountering it a few years ago changed my perceptions on laws, anonymity and privacy. I didn't expect such an awful place to exist and I wish there were some laws in place to implicate them in the murders they have committed over the years.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by jbuhbjlnjbn »

wk_end wrote: post #37
TheFreim wrote: post #29

Very sad that they are gone, byuu's work on emulators has been very useful. Weird to hear about things like this and realize that people are real on the other end of the computer. Skimming through, I don't see a reason why they were harassed by Kiwi Farms. I don't get it, what caused that?

A nit: it'd be more respectful to use "Near". They really wanted people to call them that and not their old pseudonym. I never personally interacted with Near, but I've been following them and their work since the days of the zsnes forums, back in the mid-00s. I'm a huge fan - not just of their technical achievements or their ideological commitment, but also of the seeming grace with which they carried themselves in…

I think you are wrong. Apparently "near" was another pseudonym to seperate their console hacking and different social interests. Near mentined it in some post.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by [deleted] »

snypher wrote: post #33
TheFreim wrote: post #29

Very sad that they are gone, byuu's work on emulators has been very useful. Weird to hear about things like this and realize that people are real on the other end of the computer. Skimming through, I don't see a reason why they were harassed by Kiwi Farms. I don't get it, what caused that?

Kiwi Farms whole deal is to harass people online. I'm not sure they need a reason. A girl set herself on fire due to their harassment in 2013.

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Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by treloon »

sterlind wrote: post #116
philpem wrote: post #111

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I admire your ability to solely wish solace on them. I'd rather the long arm of the law caught up to them.

there's not a lot the law can do, unfortunately. doxxing isn't illegal in the US, at least federally, except against people in certain positions [0]. there's a high standard for harassment to be considered illegal. bullying is not illegal. hate speech is not illegal. even if individuals on Kiwi Farms can be prosecuted, it wouldn't take the site down. and to be prosecuted, the prosecutors would have to care. there jus…

Pussy lol
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