Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

111–120 of 180 posts

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#111

Post by philpem »

dexwiz wrote: post #13

Kiwi Farms is vile. I stumbled upon it while researching someone who turned out to be a target of one of their hate campaign. Its a PHP Forum-style site, but with entire sub forums dedicated to small groups and event specific people. Long running topics would be an entire persons hate campaign against them. The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they h…

I admire your ability to solely wish solace on them. I'd rather the long arm of the law caught up to them.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#112

Post by philpem »

falcolas wrote: post #74
umvi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There needs to be a wider discussion of responsibility of hosting providers for the actions of their customers How about holding the actual bullies accountable instead of shifting accountability to the ISP/Host? What happens in real life (i.e. outside the context of the internet) if bullies harass someone with hate mail until that person commits suicide? Does the blame shift away from the bullies to USPS or FedEx f…

Cloudflare has already proven willing to stop supporting sites based on their content. They’ve opened the doors, so it’s not unreasonable to expect that they could/would/should do it again.

People have been complaining for years about some of the content they shield (KF especially). The site is responsible for at least one previous suicide. Their response is always the same... to forward the complaints onto the abuser for them to laugh at.

Cloudflare has only ever intervened in matters like this when the mainstream press has given them an absolute and utter kicking.

The sad fact is, when you have your own AS-number and peering agreement, you can do pretty much whatever you like on the Internet.

De-peering a few of the worst network abusers and "it's not my problem, I just want the money" merchants would go a long way to improving the internet for the rest of us.

This might seem hardline, but it's not without precedent: the precedent is the Internet itself, in its earlier days.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#113

Post by philpem »

umvi wrote: post #23
philpem wrote: post #11

Posted this on the other thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27653450 ), I'll copy it here... I don't really know what to say here. I didn't know them personally, but I saw their work and was truly stunned. Most people don't achieve in their entire lives what Near (aka Byuu) did in their comparatively short one. To say I was impressed is an understatement. I simply don't have the words. What happened, shoul…

> There needs to be a wider discussion of responsibility of hosting providers for the actions of their customers How about holding the actual bullies accountable instead of shifting accountability to the ISP/Host? What happens in real life (i.e. outside the context of the internet) if bullies harass someone with hate mail until that person commits suicide? Does the blame shift away from the bullies to USPS or FedEx f…

I absolutely agree with making the bullies accountable, and making the networks accountable should only be in addition to that.

The guy who runs the site is a US citizen. If the police don't give a damn (which seems to be the case)... why aren't US citizens writing to their representatives about this?

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#114

Post by aaron695 »

What happened here is Cancel Culture. It's on the other side. But it's the same.

The left have driven people to suicide, the left attack people for past posts, the left attack employees and friends.

And the left should know better, it's hard to know how to move forward while the left, which for so long had the higher ground, also do this. And by left I mean the people who don't condemn lynch mobs when they think it's doing something they agree with. If you think racists deserve it, you're the same as KiwiFarms.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#115

Post by philpem »

ngcazz wrote: post #18
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #2

Kiwi Farms is the scum of the earth. Sadly it has many victims.

Looked them up. How is it that they aren’t getting prosecuted _right now_?

Good question. Assuming you're US based - Why not write a letter to your representatives, asking them why the police ignore and dismiss online harassment, and why a single US citizen continues to be allowed to operate what is solely a hate site?

If legal pressure isn't enough, why not try political pressure?

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#116

Post by sterlind »

philpem wrote: post #111
dexwiz wrote: post #13

Kiwi Farms is vile. I stumbled upon it while researching someone who turned out to be a target of one of their hate campaign. Its a PHP Forum-style site, but with entire sub forums dedicated to small groups and event specific people. Long running topics would be an entire persons hate campaign against them. The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they h…

I admire your ability to solely wish solace on them. I'd rather the long arm of the law caught up to them.

there's not a lot the law can do, unfortunately. doxxing isn't illegal in the US, at least federally, except against people in certain positions [0]. there's a high standard for harassment to be considered illegal. bullying is not illegal. hate speech is not illegal. even if individuals on Kiwi Farms can be prosecuted, it wouldn't take the site down. and to be prosecuted, the prosecutors would have to care. there just aren't the laws..

I'm friends with a few people who have been targeted by Kiwi Farms. Near is far from the only person driven to suicide by overwhelming bullying. it's one reason I keep a low profile - I'm just too scared.

0. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#117

Post by sterlind »

ALittleLight wrote: post #71
kbenson wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot implied in the doc linked from twitter, if not spelled out. Particularly troubling is the alleged targeting of friends and family. That said, it's one side, and not even from the source, but from someone's interpretation/understanding of what happened to the source, so I'm being careful to not assume much. The quick-take might be the correct take in this case, but that doesn't mean I'm comfortable with…

I would edit this into my parent comment, but can't edit it any more. Further reading I found this post from the Kiwi Farms operator that shares an email from Near explaining a little more on the situation. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...

that whole thread is so vile. poor Near. like, Near is apologizing to Null for persuading one of KF's moderators to delete the thread on them, and presumably was angry that Near influenced a mod into a chance of conscience? and Null lashes out at Near for it?

these are evil people. I wonder if they realize how evil they are.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#118

Post by _etyf »

dexwiz wrote: post #13

Kiwi Farms is vile. I stumbled upon it while researching someone who turned out to be a target of one of their hate campaign. Its a PHP Forum-style site, but with entire sub forums dedicated to small groups and event specific people. Long running topics would be an entire persons hate campaign against them. The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they h…

>The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they have done to harass people, updates on past targets, ideas for future hate, and justification about why this person deserves it.

Sounds a lot like Twitter.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#119

Post by user-the-name »

_etyf wrote: post #118
dexwiz wrote: post #13

Kiwi Farms is vile. I stumbled upon it while researching someone who turned out to be a target of one of their hate campaign. Its a PHP Forum-style site, but with entire sub forums dedicated to small groups and event specific people. Long running topics would be an entire persons hate campaign against them. The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they h…

>The members seem to have a strange, self-claimed moral authority. The posts are a mix of records of what they have done to harass people, updates on past targets, ideas for future hate, and justification about why this person deserves it. Sounds a lot like Twitter.

Sounds nothing at all like Twitter. These are people who cheer when they drive someone to suicide. Do not diminish their utter depravity by comparing them to something far less extreme.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

#120

Post by user-the-name »

umvi wrote: post #23
philpem wrote: post #11

Posted this on the other thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27653450 ), I'll copy it here... I don't really know what to say here. I didn't know them personally, but I saw their work and was truly stunned. Most people don't achieve in their entire lives what Near (aka Byuu) did in their comparatively short one. To say I was impressed is an understatement. I simply don't have the words. What happened, shoul…

> There needs to be a wider discussion of responsibility of hosting providers for the actions of their customers How about holding the actual bullies accountable instead of shifting accountability to the ISP/Host? What happens in real life (i.e. outside the context of the internet) if bullies harass someone with hate mail until that person commits suicide? Does the blame shift away from the bullies to USPS or FedEx f…

The aim here is to stop the people who bully others to suicide. That is what is important. Kiwifarms is self hosted, there is no host to complain to.
Post reply on HN