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The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

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Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

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What is the average age of a Kiwi Farms user? Is it possible that these are all just kids with a lot of time trolling people? Of course what happened to Byuu/Near is repugnant and horrible and shouldn't happen to anyone. I just don't understand the mentality of people to do this and not feel remorse.

One interesting metric I think might be rate of psychopathy of KF users, since a forum dedicated to discussing (read: mocking) people seems to me like it would naturally attract people who revel in schadenfreude.

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

#42
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They really need to stop. They did it for 8chan, why not this? How many more people need to die before anything changes?

I'm not endorsing what they do, but Cloudflare isn't the only option for DDOS protection. If you take them out now, you'll probably just send them deeper into the decentralized web, which is probably not a mutually amicable solution.

They well might be, realistically. Other similarly-atrocious sites that were eventually shut down by Cloudflare had a lot of trouble finding new hosts.

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

#43
post #3

> Kiwi Farms was spun off from CWCiki, a wiki focused on Chris-Chan. They're a forum focused on cyberbullying other people. They especially tend to focus on people who are in vulnerable groups. For example, Byuu as far as I know, identified as non-binary, which is why they started harassing him. It seems like they're a major catalyst for this situation. Wow. A forum of people that bullies vulnerable people until they…

CloudFlare is providing them DDoS protection.

You can't provide DDoS protection for the dynamic stuff.

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

#44
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CloudFlare is providing them DDoS protection.

They really need to stop. They did it for 8chan, why not this? How many more people need to die before anything changes?

Dear Cloudflare. If you want to take a principled stance, you have to do it unilaterally, and defend it when it is being challenged. You want to be “neutral”? Then take the stance when it actually is being challenged. Otherwise, what you have isn’t a principled stance. It’s a public relations strategy. The moment you made an exception, you proved that you could and would disable a site over its content if you wanted. But when something like this continues to stay online, it proves that you are not actually policing content, but your own reputation.

I get that it is genuinely impossible to please everyone. But this is a hypocritical and dishonest stance at best.

What we have here is multiple deaths while their harassers run victory laps hiding behind pseudonyms on Cloudflare-protected properties.

> we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design.

I know you guys read Hacker News. Do you want to fucking acknowledge this?

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

#45
post #25

I'm half hoping the tech community bands together over this and shows Kiwi Farms that they poked the wrong beehive. I wish first and foremost all the KW bullies involved with this are tracked down, doxxed, and put through the US (or whatever their country of origin is) legal ringer. Additionally I wouldn't mind if KW itself is pwned by some Lulzsec type group.

As someone who had the shit beaten out of him all the time in middle school and could easily have been bullied into suicide if I had been born a generation too late, I’d prefer someone take the expedient and less politically correct route and just kill these people off, with little to no mercy.

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

#46
post #25

I'm half hoping the tech community bands together over this and shows Kiwi Farms that they poked the wrong beehive. I wish first and foremost all the KW bullies involved with this are tracked down, doxxed, and put through the US (or whatever their country of origin is) legal ringer. Additionally I wouldn't mind if KW itself is pwned by some Lulzsec type group.

Yes, I too want the prosecutor who drove Aaron Schwartz to commit suicide for their own financial/career gain to be put through the ringer.

Get back to me when you get this done. Then we can talk shop about what the farms did.

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

#47
post #3

> Kiwi Farms was spun off from CWCiki, a wiki focused on Chris-Chan. They're a forum focused on cyberbullying other people. They especially tend to focus on people who are in vulnerable groups. For example, Byuu as far as I know, identified as non-binary, which is why they started harassing him. It seems like they're a major catalyst for this situation. Wow. A forum of people that bullies vulnerable people until they…

I posted a bit on KiwiFarms a bit about six/seven years ago. I became involved somewhat involuntary as I was editing on RationalWiki at the time and there was rather a lot of conflict with the whole "GamerGate" thing going on, and I had no idea what that was about. I didn't care much for the anti-gamergate people on RW as I felt they were ... unpleasant ... and they kept talking about this "KiwiFarms" thing. So I created an account and figured I'd talk to some people to see what it's all about and hear out the other side a bit.

At the time, from what I saw, it wasn't actually so bad. I would consider it distasteful, even offensive at times, but from what I've seen they weren't organizing harassment or bully campaigns. The general attitude was something along the lines of "haha, what a loser/idiot", and in some of the more tragic cases it was also followed up by "but this is very sad to see :-(".

I don't recall seeing the targetting of people based on their sexuality or gender identity. The range of opinions on things like GamerGate were fairly diverse, but the main attitude was "petty manchildren crying about muh gamez".

Plenty of stuff I disagreed with, and plenty of comments that I would describe as being made in bad taste or downright offensive, but my take-away was that, at the time, the description of a vile nest of horrible reactionary alt-Right bullies as some on RationalWiki claimed it, was pretty off the mark. We had plenty of trolls on RationalWiki for sure, and some pretty vile ones too, and most people on KiwiFarms thought they were just a bunch of losers. Yet, somehow, they were still attributed to KiwiFarms shrug.

I don't know the details of the this situation, and it's been six years so all sorts of things could have changed, but based on my previous experience I'm very hesitant to immediately jump to the conclusion that it's a "forum of people that bullies vulnerable people until they kill themselves" because I've seen all sorts of hyperbolic claims before and found them untrue. Maybe it's correct this time, but ... yeah. Fool me once, fool me twice...

And if this comment wasn't controversial enough already: I feel this stuff is sometimes taken way too seriously, and that this is actively harmful to people like Near. I completely understand why they would feel upset if people say ugly things about them, but a lot of this crowd seems to provide only validation and recognition for being upset, and not enough "just some rando losers on a forum, get over it and stop crying". I don't think this is helping and an (unintentional) but vicious feedback loop. The fact of the matter is that the world has ugly people saying ugly things. This has always been true for all of history, and will always remain true. It sucks, but we can't change that. You can either shrug at insults or slurs, or you can become very upset with it, and it's absolutely not a given unchangeable fact that "getting upset" is the only possible action.

I don't want to put too much weight in this letter as it's obviously written from a place of grief and anger, but it mostly seems to externalize Near's problems to KiwiFarms. It seems to me that their problems were mostly internal, as is usually the case with people suffering from long-term depression. Perhaps the external KiwiFarms "pushed them over the edge", but that's not the same as being the primary cause. This is important because if you focus on the wrong things you're not going to solve whatever problems you have.

However, no matter what I say here, or what the facts of the case may be (maybe it is as bad as claimed, maybe not) I think ... none of that will really matter here anyway :-/

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

#48
Moon (Null) published the exchanges between him and buyy before byuu took his own life. In summary, byuu told Null to accept his offer of $120,000 to take down the byuu thread on Kiwi Farms, or else byuu would publicly post his own information and take his own life. Needless to say, Null declined:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

#49
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty tone-deaf and unnecessary to nitpick a eulogy.

This was not the eulogy quoted. Regardless, that was absolutely not my intention. I meant to highlight the pronoun misuse because I've seen a handful of comments here misgendering them, and it's really sad to see that happening to someone who just passed. My apologies if it came across as rude or tone-deaf. I attempted to edit after but I am on a mobile client that doesn't support it, nor even deleting comments.

I’ve always been curious, is this intentional correcting of seemingly innocent mistakes actually something that non-cis people care about? There’s asshole intentional misgendering and there are legitimate accidents, which can be a slip of the tongue (I regularly misgender people accidentally, despite wanting to be respectful, I put it down to many decades of cis programming which I now need to undo).

As a gay man I’m more than used to people assuming I’m straight, I don’t speak for all gay men but the consensus in our circle is to politely correct but not get obnoxious, I would guess other queer demographics would be similar.

Re: The Dev Behind One of the Best SNES Emulators Has Died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

CloudFlare is providing them DDoS protection.

You can't provide DDoS protection for the dynamic stuff.

You can. When you're as big as cloudflare, you can tell if clients are real people, and filter out bot traffic.

If you have any doubts, you can force them through a captcha layer or just deny the traffic.

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