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Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by falcolas »

ta2162 wrote: post #79
falcolas wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet people have been convicted of murder for using similar techniques. There’s explicit examples in other comments to this article. Intent matters.

>And yet people have been convicted of murder for using similar techniques. No they haven't. >There’s explicit examples in other comments to this article. No there isn't.

> No there isn’t.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27656582

> No they haven’t.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-g...

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by plerpin »

Klonoar wrote: post #41

I'm sure some will disagree, but I'd argue this should be a black bar moment. So many of us grew up in the early-to-late-2000s internet, likely on many of the forums that touched on emulation. Near/byuu's achievements in emulation/game preservation are insane and arguably unmatched, and they also posted here from time[1] to time[2]. So sad to see this all unfold. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=near

A black bar to commemorate the loss of a dear community member, with their death a warning of the real human cost of online toxicity and intolerance.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by d3nj4l »

undfg wrote: post #69
enby1 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KF exists solely for harassment, doxxing, etc. They generally hate furries, LGBTQ+, streamers, "e-girls", really anyone. They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc.

>They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc. So like Twitter mobs? :P

KF's dedication to it makes twitter look like a joke.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by dragonwriter »

ta2162 wrote: post #77
falcolas wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not consider the targeted harassment by an organized group of people with the premeditated goal of getting them to commit suicide to be homicide? I do.

That's not the definition of murder though, even if you feel like it is. I know we're in a post-fact world, but you don't get to magically decide what words mean.

> That's not the definition of murder though

It’s usually, when criminally charged, been charged as a lesser degree of homicide (typically some form of manslaughter), but that's because its hard in that kind of case to prove premeditation, as the causation element is the same between murder and manslaughter.

If there is actual premeditation, it fits within the definition of murder.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by falcolas »

dragonwriter wrote: post #84
ta2162 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the definition of murder though, even if you feel like it is. I know we're in a post-fact world, but you don't get to magically decide what words mean.

> That's not the definition of murder though It’s usually, when criminally charged, been charged as a lesser degree of homicide (typically some form of manslaughter), but that's because its hard in that kind of case to prove premeditation, as the causation element is the same between murder and manslaughter. If there is actual premeditation, it fits within the definition of murder.

And I would think that the forums themselves could provide evidence of premeditation.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by ta2162 »

falcolas wrote: post #81
ta2162 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And yet people have been convicted of murder for using similar techniques. No they haven't. >There’s explicit examples in other comments to this article. No there isn't.

> No there isn’t. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27656582 > No they haven’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-g...

>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2765658

Completely different scenario that's not even closely related. This example involved an intimate partner that was on the phone with the victim when he was clearly in an altered state, instructing him to go back into harm's way to kill himself.

>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-found-g...

Literally the exact same case.

I'll say it again: there have been no cases that supports what happened being called "murder".

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by falcolas »

ALittleLight wrote: post #68
GPerson wrote: post #64

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Is being cruel and flippantly celebrating a suicide not condemnable enough?

I don't think it is the same as murder or should be illegal. Just yesterday YouTube recommended me a video about an Australian YouTuber facing legal trouble for being mean to an Australian government figure. The laws he may, or may not, have run afoul of use similar language about online harassment. The YouTuber claims to be calling attention to corruption and poor governmental practice. To me, the Australian YouTube…

Don’t you believe that actions should have consequences?

Do you believe that psychological attacks can have a lasting impact?

Do you think that threatening someone’s friends and families is a reasonable act?

Do you agree that getting an intermediary to kill a third party is still murder? Why can’t the intermediary also be the third party?

This was a pre-meditated and coordinated long term psychological attack, with the explicit goal of getting someone to kill themselves. These actions must have consequences.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by GPerson »

ALittleLight wrote: post #68
GPerson wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is being cruel and flippantly celebrating a suicide not condemnable enough?

I don't think it is the same as murder or should be illegal. Just yesterday YouTube recommended me a video about an Australian YouTuber facing legal trouble for being mean to an Australian government figure. The laws he may, or may not, have run afoul of use similar language about online harassment. The YouTuber claims to be calling attention to corruption and poor governmental practice. To me, the Australian YouTube…

The original thread seems to exhibit gray area stalking. Look at post #84.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...

Looking through that thread, I wouldn’t be surprised if a cyberbullying case could be made in many states. There are early comments predicting and mocking the victim’s suicide far in advance of it. With all the evidence we’ve got, it seems like this cyberbullying has some culpability in a death.

I am not saying these two situations are exactly the same, but here is a situation where someone used an electronic device to encourage a suicide and was prosecuted for manslaughter

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.californiacriminaldefensela...

The posts along the lines of “I hope he does it so our kill count will increase by 1” don’t seem totally dissimilar.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by emodendroket »

falcolas wrote: post #87
ALittleLight wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is the same as murder or should be illegal. Just yesterday YouTube recommended me a video about an Australian YouTuber facing legal trouble for being mean to an Australian government figure. The laws he may, or may not, have run afoul of use similar language about online harassment. The YouTuber claims to be calling attention to corruption and poor governmental practice. To me, the Australian YouTube…

Don’t you believe that actions should have consequences? Do you believe that psychological attacks can have a lasting impact? Do you think that threatening someone’s friends and families is a reasonable act? Do you agree that getting an intermediary to kill a third party is still murder? Why can’t the intermediary also be the third party? This was a pre-meditated and coordinated long term psychological attack, with t…

I think it is difficult to get the definition of such a law right. You don't want to send someone for jail just for, e.g., frequently arguing with someone and sometimes insulting them.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by nfriedly »

klodolph wrote: post #12

Near (Byuu) has previously appeared on HN as the author of BSNES, Higan, and other emulators for retro gaming systems. https://bsnes.dev/ His work raised the bar for emulator accuracy and the preservation of video games. He was a towering figure in the field, and will be sorely missed. I am unaware of a better source for this information besides this Google doc, at the moment. Near’s Twitter handle is @near_koukai, w…

Clickable: https://twitter.com/near_koukai
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