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Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

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Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

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post #19

This sucks. My school district used a bunch of money to buy every student chromebooks. I remember just a few years ago, back when I was in middle school, I helped unbox all the chromebooks that were shipped to the school - about 2500 of them. Just for one middle school. Every student having access to these laptops made some thing a lot easier, like using Canvas to submit work done on Google Docs. However, this is in…

I wonder if the Chromebooks could dual-boot with regular Linux.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

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post #17
post #5

Looks like I will be a parent in this mess! My own kids are done, but I have my granddaughter to raise. (Rough, but she is great and will probably make me live longer, so no worries.) This is going to be a fight! That level of surveillance is unacceptable. I have no plan yet, but will in a year or so. Guess it is wake up call time. Seriously, I look back at my upbringing and what I was able to do for my kids, and shu…

I would consider this a teaching opportunity. Get her a Faraday case for the device. Explain to her that the case isn't to protect the device, but to protect her from the device. Try to make her control the device, rather than the other way around.

She is little, so yeah deffo time for tech education. My own kids were not particularly interested, but she is, so that's a nice change.

Edit: I am gonna start with Faraday Cage. Thanks.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

#43
post #5

Looks like I will be a parent in this mess! My own kids are done, but I have my granddaughter to raise. (Rough, but she is great and will probably make me live longer, so no worries.) This is going to be a fight! That level of surveillance is unacceptable. I have no plan yet, but will in a year or so. Guess it is wake up call time. Seriously, I look back at my upbringing and what I was able to do for my kids, and shu…

The best thing you can do, unfortunately, is teach them yourself. It is hard, but the real root of this problem is that people expect schools, and therefore the state, to not only teach their children math and history but raise them. As a result of this, people who actually want to raise their own kids get saddled with restrictive practices designed to raise your kids for you. The only way to opt out of it is to fore…

Yeah. That's a hard scenario for us right now, but I think your overall take on this is the right one. We have much work to do.

A lot of what you said, is what my own kids said. It's amazing how much it has degraded.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

#44

> “If authority figures for youth say constant surveillance is OK, what happens when a romantic partner wants access to every message on their phone? Or an employer wants your social media password? Invasive monitoring isn’t acceptable, no matter who tries to do it, and personal privacy matters.” I think that it is even worse than that. In a decade or two, we are going to learn the many cases of sexual abuse that thi…

Certainly already happening: > Over the next 15 days, the school district captured at least 210 webcam photos and 218 screenshots. They included photos inside his home of Robbins sleeping and of him partially undressed, as well as photos of his father. The district also snapped images of Robbins' instant messages and video chats with his friends, and sent them to its servers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._…

Wow! That is full batshit crazy.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

#45

I feel like educators watched Ferris Bueller’s day off, and decided they would crush that spirit with totalitarian tactics. What’s the point of this level of control?

If you’re talking about teaching staff, they almost certainly have no part in purchasing or deploying these systems.

Given that it’s almost impossible to get fired as a teacher I think they need to show a little bravery and push back against this damage being inflicted.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

#46
post #10

My schools tried to require school owned apple equipment that both restricted actions (couldn’t message with parents or email) and monitored all activity, even when used from home. I forced my own equipment and they tried to install and reinstall various spyware throughout the year. It seems like rather than proposing a basic system of assignments and material and grades, they are trying to treat as a wholly owned ec…

> work computers are tools for work while school should be about learning

I really like this point. I think it's true but not obvious.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

#47
post #5

Looks like I will be a parent in this mess! My own kids are done, but I have my granddaughter to raise. (Rough, but she is great and will probably make me live longer, so no worries.) This is going to be a fight! That level of surveillance is unacceptable. I have no plan yet, but will in a year or so. Guess it is wake up call time. Seriously, I look back at my upbringing and what I was able to do for my kids, and shu…

The best thing you can do, unfortunately, is teach them yourself. It is hard, but the real root of this problem is that people expect schools, and therefore the state, to not only teach their children math and history but raise them. As a result of this, people who actually want to raise their own kids get saddled with restrictive practices designed to raise your kids for you. The only way to opt out of it is to fore…

We are trending that way for sure. Each few years, I can feel it all encroaching into areas of life that should be left alone.

This batch of kids are going to have it rough.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

#48

The one sort of surveillance schools need is live webcams so parents can monitor lesson content

This actually isn’t such a bad idea. Parents being able to see their children and what they are encountering during the day. I would even say that the schools shouldn’t be allowed to see this. Only the parents.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

#49
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly already happening: > Over the next 15 days, the school district captured at least 210 webcam photos and 218 screenshots. They included photos inside his home of Robbins sleeping and of him partially undressed, as well as photos of his father. The district also snapped images of Robbins' instant messages and video chats with his friends, and sent them to its servers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._…

Wow... they are one (or two) horny kid(s) away from a child porn charge and the confiscation of their servers.

They'll just get the kids arrested for child porn instead.

Re: Privacy for Students: Surveillance Self-Defense

#50
post #9

Why do people (schools) care? What's the goal here? How does tracking everything a student does help them and how can they justify wasting time and money on this?

Personally, I think surveillance tech provides another way to exfiltrate dollars from the school system while at the same time providing rear-end cover. Look to see if the vendor is either (1) barely competent but policitically connected or (2) a startup cashing in...
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