It's not just the TPM. It's requiring 8th generation or later Intel processors and the equivalent for AMD. Microsoft still sells machines with incompatible processors for Windows 11. Yet we're all going to be losing support for Windows 10 in a few years. That's the main problem.
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#282“ Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me.” I disagree here. There is no reason (IMO) to require TPM for home machines or gamer/enthusiasts. Microsoft should instead fully support TPM 1.2 and 2.x so that in work/enterprise situations can fully utilize TPM when/if needed.
I'm fine with Microsoft requiring TPMs for Windows 11 installs on new build OEM machines - that's fine. Requiring it on existing hardware is asinine, there's no clear technical reason to do so.
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#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps, because win7 is known for being "the last good windows" with some privacy. It may or may not be true, but a lot of people are adamant about not using linux while also trying to maintain privacy, hence they use win7. I imagine such users would probably use a browser like firefox.
I remember when win2k was "the last good windows" and then windows xp after it. I $CURRENT-2 is always going to be considered "the last good windows".
I don't recall anyone describing Vista as "the last good Windows" back in 2013.
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#284I read the whole thing twice, but don't see where the author details which HW reqs are problematic.
It's the CPU requirements. Windows 11 only supports Intel 8th gen (launched in 2017), Ryzen 2000 (launched in 2018), and newer CPUs.
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#285Microsoft: Keep VB6 and WIN32 support, you get a pass. Sometimes shit just needs to get done.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even the most die-had MS user is not excited about Windows and hasn't been for the last decade. Operating systems are finished products at this point.
People say this all the time, but it certainly isn't true. I for one, I am excited about Windows 11 because its finally things coming together. 64bit only, dropping old cruft, making the UI consistent/cleaner.. If you like tech/gaming - there is a lot to be excited about. PC and Console gaming with Game pass ultimate is a hell of a deal... Plus WSLg, Android apps ... i mean come on, its pretty f'n cool.
None of those things are changing the daily use habits and the usability of an OS that I've been using to do the exact same things for the past 20 years.
The internal cleanup is great; good for them, but it doesn't map out to any subtantial change in the apps you're using.
The UI, thanks for it being clean, but as far as I'm concerned everything after Windows 7 has not improved desktop app usability much if anything. We used to have compact UIs that maximized screen usage. Now every single UI element has tons of padding, tons of vertical screen usage in a world where everything is widescreen. The compromise of desktop OSes for mobile-like use cases has not improved the desktop story at all and judging from the videos of Windows it's more of the same.
Android apps? Every app I've ever wanted already exists on Windows or the browser. I'm sure a minuscule amount of people will want that, but I want native desktop apps, leveraging native OS features.
Game pass is great, I use it for the Xbox, but it's not a core OS feature. Anyone can implement this, it doesn't require Windows 11.
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So if you modify any components in a laptop, say RAM or a video card, or you you mess with any BIOS settings, it won't boot? is this for real...?
No, you misunderstand. The TPM verifies the bootloader and the operating system kernel, etc: that those components haven't been altered.
No, I think you might be mistaken. I have been bitten by this when doing a simple BIOS reset for a computer that was having charging/battery issues. Resetting the BIOS tripped Bitlocker, which I did not configure or enable, it was enabled after doing the initial Windows 10 setup.
Since the account was a local account, not one signed into a Microsoft account, the Bitlocker keys were not backed up an all data was lost. I was stunned, I've been doing laptop repair for almost 10 years and I've never seen something this stupid.
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps, because win7 is known for being "the last good windows" with some privacy. It may or may not be true, but a lot of people are adamant about not using linux while also trying to maintain privacy, hence they use win7. I imagine such users would probably use a browser like firefox.
I remember when win2k was "the last good windows" and then windows xp after it. I $CURRENT-2 is always going to be considered "the last good windows".
I still think Win2k was the last good Windows. XP was buggier and 7’s classic theme didn't look right.
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember when win2k was "the last good windows" and then windows xp after it. I $CURRENT-2 is always going to be considered "the last good windows".
Windows 8 will never be considered "the last good windows"...
Windows 8.1 is heavily underrated. It's the final desktop Windows without rolling release model. (Except LTSC because its license is very limited.)
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#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can't you recycle every component except the motherboard?
Given a few years of time passing, generally motherboard upgrades require changing the physical format of the CPU and RAM interfaces, which means everything's wasted.
Sure, but the NVME sticks, GPU, cooling system, PSU are all still good and some of those are pretty expensive too.