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Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by alliao »

Waterluvian wrote: post #64

I’m not arguing against these findings but the whole subject of nutrition leaves me frustrated at times. Ever tried to have 100% daily recommended intake of every nutrient? I suspect almost nobody achieves that. And yet, despite this, and magnesium issues among likely many other issues, our species has never lived longer, grown taller, survived infancy, etc. more than we have now. That being said, as we understand an…

extending quality of nutrition to lifespan is adding another layer of abstraction... maybe it's the taoism stuff talking but my intuition is these two things are not related and can possibly hinder.

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Post by alliao »

walrus01 wrote: post #128

If you ever travel in a developing nation like Nepal and eat the vegetables in a rural region there, and then return to the US/Canada, the difference is immediately noticeable.

yes reading your comments took me back to Peru and their corn and potato. Even chicken, I ate simplest food but had enjoyed them so much.

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Post by cartoonworld »

lr4444lr wrote: post #78
wincy wrote: post #26

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Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

Did the glycinate formulation have a markedly better effect than more common alternatives?

The glycinate is a well absorbed form of magnesium. Threonate is also well absorbed and is able to pass the blood-brain barrier.

Malate and citrate are pretty absorbable too, but I (am not who you were responding to but) use Magnesium bis-glycinate (TRAACS) form. It works well enough.

Keep in mind I am not a doctor or biologist, but many common forms of magnesium, commonly in multivitamins, are absorbed (slowly) via metal channels which require calcium to be taken as well or else the absorption slows and stops. As a result, it will pass through your GI instead of being absorbed into your body.

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Post by wincy »

lk0nga wrote: post #137
wincy wrote: post #26

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Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

The RDA on Magnesium is almost never there on multivitamin formulas and so should be added separatedly, I can't really feel that (significantly) it helps for anxiety or jittery though, same goes for theanine, in fact theanine makes my jittery/anxiety worse. Best for jittery/anxiety is taurine, at around 2 grams per each 100mg of caffeine, YMMV. I've noted overall anxiety got noteacible better when I added DHEA, I'd g…

Oh that’s interesting! I bet that’s why I can’t tolerate coffee but the caffeine + taurine in Monster and Red Bull are fantastic for giving me energy.

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Post by pembrook »

tgb wrote: post #279
pembrook wrote: post #233

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This doesn’t make any scientific sense. Study after study has shown that protein and complex carbs are what reduces feelings of hunger, not vegetables. This makes sense when you consider most green vegetables like broccoli are 90% water. A meat like chicken, after cooking is only about 60% water. So if you eat 400g of broccoli vs 400g of chicken, the one that will make you feel more full is obviously the protein. Wha…

> most green vegetables like broccoli are 90% water. That's super misleading. The nutrition facts for broccoli here [1] gives 89% water but actually over 1/3rd of broccoli by mass is carbs, fats, proteins or fibers. And comparing raw broccoli to cooked chicken is deceptive - cooking broccoli obviously gets rid of a lot of it's water depending on how you cook. Moreover, comparing gram-to-gram, I'm sure broccoli is les…

Raw chicken with skin on is 66% water, so I wouldn't call it super misleading. I simply mentioned "cooked" because almost nobody eats chicken raw. Lots of people eat raw broccoli.

Boiling or steaming broccoli does basically nothing to its water content. Baking it may reduce by 10%. So still 20% more water than the protein.

Anyways, the water point was brought up to give something intuitive to grasp on to.

As said, the main reason eating one chicken breast makes you feel more full than multiple servings of broccoli, is the 55g of protein.

So adding broccoli to your fast food won't suddenly make you feel full. Dumping the fast food altogether and eating a chicken breast instead might.

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Post by coss »

wincy wrote: post #26
esquivalience wrote: post #4

From the source: "The high rate of magnesium deficiency now postulated [5,6,7,8] can be attributed in part to a steady decline in general magnesium content in cultivated fruits and vegetables, a reflection of the observed depletion of magnesium in soil over the past 100 years [11,12,13]. A report to Congress was already sounding the alarm as far back as the 1930s, pointing out the paucity of magnesium, and other mine…

Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

Wow, I started magnesium recently because of migraines. I’ve been twitching occasionally and I’ve been wondering why. Might just need more calcium. Thanks for sharing.

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Post by pomian »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #51

one big potential problem with simply adding magnesium to fertilizers is that its is extremely hydrophilic and will lock to water and become impenetrable. My suspicion is that one of the larger issues that aren't even discussed is the role of fungi in the soil. Usually there is a symbiotic relationship between plants and fungi whereby the fungi breaks down minerals in the soil and hands off these precious ions to the…

Cool that you brought up fungi. It seems to be a very poorly understood field of study. I think it was an accepted part of the ecosystem for ancient farm technologies, however our modern world of compartmentalizing, nutrients, minerals, pests, etc is missing many of the inter locked natural systems. There have been interesting studies in the last 15-20 years revealing more and more about the micro life in soil. The interplay of bacteria, fungus, nutrients, biology and chemistry, can be quite fragile and using mono crops, selected fertilizers, selected pesticides can screw up that ecosystem. Think about old farmers spreading cow shit everywhere in the garden, composting with other animal manure, which all came from animals fed a wide range of food stuffs.

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Post by jet_32951 »

cartoonworld wrote: post #296
wincy wrote: post #26

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Interesting. I recently started using Magnesium Glycinate as a supplement and I feel it truly changed my life, not exaggerating. I’ve suffered from chronic general anxiety for most of my teens and adult life. Magnesium has completely cleared this up, things I thought were just part of my personality (being anxious and other associated things) were actually due to a chronic magnesium deficiency. I just have to make su…

Chiming in to second this. I've had anxiety problems most of my life, and when a death in the family shook everything it got really, really bad. I tried everything I could think of except prescription meds (maybe should have, but I didn't like the side effects or addictive potential) and one day while lurking I read a random comment on HN about magnesium. I decided, Why not, its cheap, and it has had a truly profound…

Yup, I started taking Mg supplements for cramping during climbing and it worked. It also stopped my depressive moods.

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Post by nicoburns »

cowmoo728 wrote: post #205
stavros wrote: post #179

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Everything tastes less good nowadays. When I was a kid, we used to eat tomatoes like apples, just biting into them, maybe with some salt. Nowadays supermarket tomatoes taste like water.

Tomatoes are particularly egregious. There are still tomatoes that taste good, but you won't find them in most grocery stores. Scientists are working on some genetic engineering to make a tomato that's mechanically strong enough to withstand commercial growing and shipping, but still tastes good. In the meantime, you have to search for real tomatoes at specialty grocery stores and farmers' markets. https://www.wired.…

I've found good quality tomatoes are widely available in standard grocery stores (they all seem to have the same kinds - I'm guessing they have the sam suppliers). Not as good as you get in France or Italy, but significantly better than you get in supermarkets. If you are stuck with supermarket tomatoes then the premium, small/cherry ones are usually the best and well worth the extra money.
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