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Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by carbocation »

seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

Without commenting on the veracity of your claims (which I don't really believe, and because they aren't sourced, it would require a ton of effort), your writing style is very compelling.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by lkschubert8 »

seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

Definitely going to need to source some of those claims.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by skymer »

The paper shows that it is essentially impossible for an adult male to get the recommended DI of magnesium (420 mg/day) by eating vegetables alone. As far as I can see, the paper does not resolve whether that target is too high, or whether it can be reached by eating meat or taking supplements.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by throwaway1777 »

seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

You’re not wrong at all, and animals are an important part of the ecosystem. It’s kind of implied that the reason vegetables are less nutritious now is because we don’t use manure for fertilizer as often.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by celticninja »

seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

Isn't that a bit like survivor bias though? People who are on meatrx (not familiar with the site at all) are already predisposed to thinking that this is the best thing to do, so all the positive things that occur they are attributing to their meat diet. What about the people that didn't get pregnant or who didn't regain their hair? I assume they are not posting about this outcome.

I think some sort of peer reviewed study would be a better source of truth than anecdotal evidence on a site that (I am assuming) promotes meat eating.

I am an omnivore, so I am not disagreeing because I am against meat.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by gus_massa »

ratsmack wrote: post #5
minitoar wrote: post #2

The title of the article is “Challenges in the Diagnosis of Magnesium Status”

But it does cover more than that and the current title is pretty close.

The guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ask to use the original title unless it's linkbait or wrong.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by cageface »

skymer wrote: post #13

The paper shows that it is essentially impossible for an adult male to get the recommended DI of magnesium (420 mg/day) by eating vegetables alone. As far as I can see, the paper does not resolve whether that target is too high, or whether it can be reached by eating meat or taking supplements.

Seeds are a great source of magnesium. Pumpkin seeds in particular have a lot of it and are inexpensive and tasty.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by seaorg »

carbocation wrote: post #11
seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

Without commenting on the veracity of your claims (which I don't really believe, and because they aren't sourced, it would require a ton of effort), your writing style is very compelling.

Doctor Paul Saladino has been very public about his test results, including CAC score of zero, and I consider that a source. Same with doctor Shawn Baker.

And I made reference to Meatrx which is indeed a source. It contains hundreds of video testimonies that will provide any discerning viewer with enough evidence to motivate a proper interventional study. This topic is blacklisted in academia and there aren’t any good studies on it.

And if you investigate the mechanistic underpinnings of all of this yourself, crack open a biochemistry book, you will see very clearly that something is going on. We need proper interventional studies.

Re: Challenges in the diagnosis of magnesium status

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Post by mathgladiator »

carbocation wrote: post #11
seaorg wrote: post #7

If you put a whole cow into a meat grinder, the resulting paste contains every single micro and macro nutrient required by the human body, in their most bioavailable forms, many of which are completely absent in vegetarian and vegan diets. For millions of years, humans ate ruminant animals who’s herds they followed around, and almost nothing else. People who eat nothing but ruminant meat and organs become slim even i…

Without commenting on the veracity of your claims (which I don't really believe, and because they aren't sourced, it would require a ton of effort), your writing style is very compelling.

I can't comment on parent due to flag, I'm studying this for my wife and the relationship to autoimmune issues.

It's not just ruminant, but ruminant meat eating appropriate food. Grass fed beef versus grain fed is fascinating. Furthermore, how we raise ruminants is important for the ecosystem. When I tried carnivore diet, I can attest that the benefits are real but so is the hungering addiction from processed foods. I'm currently detaching myself from sugar which is... hard.

I can't wait for properly controlled studies on this subject. There is great anecdotal evidence https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2020/01/10/multipl... which warrants proper studies.

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