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Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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> Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?” There's a whole political party whose dominant position is to go "rah rah" and paint pretty much any criticism of these agencies as unpatriotic. It is still not a settled opinion in the US that waterboarding is torture.

So glad Barack Obama closed down Guantanamo and stopped the persecution of whistleblowers...oh wait

Obama did try to close Guantanamo several times early on in his term.

Congress passed amendments and bills that prohibited actually transferring detainees into the mainland US, because people went full NIMBY over “terrorists” in their backyard. The President’s power is not absolute.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#272

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Not even an uncontrollable, unencumbered, outsider (Trump) critical of the FBI/CIA could make dent in 4 years.

The current US Senate majority leader once said: “Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

Even the local police can get back at you.[1] The FBI has a budget 1000x greater.

https://citymonitor.ai/government/they-rely-you-being-intimi...

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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What an absolute joke. FBI/CIA recruits a child molester to lie about Assange. https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/09/25/siggi_the... Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?”

Who exactly thinks the CIA does any good in the world?

I do, but such polarity isn’t the question. The real question is whether or not it’s appropriate to have an independently governed, extra-national paramilitary organization funded by the US but not limited by its laws or oversight. What we can and should do as citizens when that group renders monstrous, rogue injustice under your name and funding.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Emails specifically? I'm not sure if that has ever been confirmed, but this is directly from Assange[1]: >“We do have some information about the Republican campaign,” he said Friday, according to The Washington Post. >“I mean, it’s from a point of view of an investigative journalist organization like WikiLeaks, the problem with the Trump campaign is it’s actually hard for us to publish much more controversial materia…

You took that quote, which simply doesn’t say what you want. Then you slapped your take on the end, which is what you want the quote to say, but it doesn’t. Wrong.

Ok, what does the quote actually say?

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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post #125

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Do the US need to extra judicially murder Assange in order to make an example of him? I can imagine what would happen if Russia tried the same tactic as the US and used diplomatic channels in order to successfully influence the legal systems in countries like the UK and Sweden.

Are you proud of what Assange actually did in Sweden? Taking off a condom mid sex or lying about wearing one? It's called stealthing and very much a terrible thing to do.

You have fallen victim to and are repeating a propaganda lie.

As documented by judicial procedure (Swedish equivalent to FOIA), the "stealthing" was a pure invention by the police. It was added days later _as ordered by email_ by the hierarchical superior of the policewoman who typed the statement of the second woman. This was done against the original wishes of both women, and contrary to what they originally said. Even calling it a statement is a misnomer (read more further on that subject).

That happened after tabloids had published that a rape had allegedly happened, somehow with the name of the victims. The changed was annulled later, after the fact, when this was found out.

Proof/source : you can see said email in full as part of the interview by Republik.ch of the UN Special Reporteur of Torture. Link https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea...

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What the story actually is, as documented as a matter of judicial procedure :

The first woman had had consensual relations with Assange, knowingly without a condom, as she herself witnessed; the second woman had consensual sex one day after; she found out after he left the condom was broken; they found out about each other a little later.

Before asking Assange directly, they wanted to know if they could make Assange take an HIV test. They went to ask a policewoman friend of the first if that was possible. Neither didn't want to make a statement, nor sign one, nor report a crime.

The policewoman wrote it down just in case. Two hours later Swedish tabloids report Assange raped somebody. The condom, as tested later on, somehow contained no DNA of Assange's.

There was lot more fishy happening on the prosecutor's side, but it's beside this comments' points.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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I'd suggest reading the relevant portions of the muller report and the related indictments of the GRU agents. > The vast majority of times it's just "educated guesses" based on identifiers that any smart adversary will know how to spoof and thus utilize as false leads. No, I'd say people on hn often vastly overstate the lengths people are willing to go to to create these false flag attacks. If we believed hn, no atta…

> I'd suggest reading the relevant portions of the muller report and the related indictments of the GRU agents. Why can't you just spell out the method of attribution, instead requiring me to read trough dozens of, mostly political, reports? > The attack, carried out with many technical signifiers of a Russian state backed attack, that was used to geopolitically help Russia was Russian. Technical signifiers are not d…

As I understand it, signifiers included command and control servers known to be under Russian state control.

So, yes, someone would need to have piggybacked on Russian state controlled servers.

> Technical signifiers are not difficult to spoof, nothing about them requires any nation state backing as they rely on heuristics which are semi-public

Do you work in this field? I've basically only seen lay people suggest this.

> That's because if said attack is successful, you wouldn't even know about it being such an attack, that's the crux of the problem.

Hence my second point: that we've never seen evidence of an unsuccessful attempt, meaning that there's a 100% success rate of spoofing. You're telling me that's realistic? That the spoofers are just so incredibly more competent than everyone else that they never fuck up? That the random Ukrainian kid is so much better at hacking than various state agencies that when he impersonates them he always does it perfectly? That every Ukrainian kid is that competent? Come on.

Your thesis is essentially that state actors are the least competent "cyber actors", because everyone can impersonate them and none of them can tell. That's counter to basically everything else we know.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Not really surprising considering the many other blatant lies in the Assange case. For example to this day barely anybody seems aware about the fact how Swedish police changed witness testimonies to create rape accusations that were never even made by the two women, to have these nasty accusations leaked to the press only hours later, in the middle of the night. That's only one of the many findings by the UN rapporte…

Are you saying there was no credible rape accusation?

There was no rape accusation, full stop.

Here are the allegations:

He had consensual sex, and the condom broke. He didn’t tell the woman after the fact, but she found it in the trash. She wanted him to get an HIV test. He refused. She tried to get the police to force him to get an HIV test.

To her dismay, they decided to charge him with rape. This is all in the UN special rapporteur’s report, and apparently uncontested by everyone involved.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#278

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> I'd suggest reading the relevant portions of the muller report and the related indictments of the GRU agents. Why can't you just spell out the method of attribution, instead requiring me to read trough dozens of, mostly political, reports? > The attack, carried out with many technical signifiers of a Russian state backed attack, that was used to geopolitically help Russia was Russian. Technical signifiers are not d…

As I understand it, signifiers included command and control servers known to be under Russian state control. So, yes, someone would need to have piggybacked on Russian state controlled servers. > Technical signifiers are not difficult to spoof, nothing about them requires any nation state backing as they rely on heuristics which are semi-public Do you work in this field? I've basically only seen lay people suggest th…

> As I understand it, signifiers included command and control servers known to be under Russian state control.

If you could be more specific, we could address this. However, you cannot, because the allegations are all this vague. If it's the assertion that I think it is, the "command and control servers" were asserted by Crowdstrike to be under Russian control, and its evidence for this, again, were somewhere deep in a rabbit warren of cross- and circular references[1].

> Do you work in this field? I've basically only seen lay people suggest this.

I have seen journalists claim that only lay people suggest this.

To your vague and amorphous allegations of "state actors", I reply with this specific analysis of the few concrete indicators of compromise supplied by the departments of the government making the allegation. It's farcical. If Russiagate were to be true, the Russian hackers are no better than script kiddies, using outdated PHP malware as they do. https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hac...

[1] Furthermore, IP addresses change constantly. Again, if you're referring to the assertion I think you are, that IP address had been defunct for over 2 years before the attack See https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/01/election-hack-faq/

An IP that was being used by Russian Intelligence today to hack a target may be used by another attacker to hack a different target a few days later. This can happen for several reasons:

- A hacked IP can be used by one attacker and then be compromised by a different attacker later on to also launch attacks.

- IP addresses change ownership from time to time. A Linode IP may be hacked by Russia and used to launch attacks. Then it may be shut down by Linode, change ownership and the new owner’s site can get hacked. Then that IP address is attacking once again, but the attacker is someone else.

- IP addresses are also dynamic if they belong to an internet service provider (ISP). Some of the IP’s in the Grizzly Steppe report do belong to ISP’s. For example we can see IP’s belonging to Yota.ru, a Russian internet service provider. The hostnames are ‘wimax-client.yota.ru’ which suggests that they are wifi customers. These IP’s are probably dynamic and regularly change hands. They may be used by one attacker today and a different attacker tomorrow.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#279

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In reality he laundered hacked materials he knowingly received from an adversarial to the USA nation state actor, and released it deliberately to interfere with the US election process to damage a POTUS candidate he didn't like.

1) You cannot even come close to proving your statement, and 2) None of this would even be illegal if it weren't for intel agencies acting as political hit squads.

It has already been documented and laid out in the Mueller Report, and summarized here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

A politician in conflict with the FBI and CIA? Someone who makes comments such as "Deep State Department," "drain the Swamp," and "witchhunt"? I'm having Trumble thinkinp of one. I Don't know aldbody offhand. He would have to be backed by the US military to have a realistic shot against such powerful factions of the US oligarchy. Who's popular with the military?

Someone with cool dance moves too.
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