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YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by gre »

tablespoon wrote: post #165
gre wrote: post #148

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Can you link some more sources about the gray zone? Being banned from Wikipedia just makes sense because they are a blog and not a primary source. I would like to see a writeup of what they get wrong because their podcast Moderate Rebels [1] is very informative and well-researched. [1] https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels

> Can you link some more sources about the gray zone? Being banned from Wikipedia just makes sense because they are a blog and not a primary source. IIRC, it was mainly banned because "there is consensus that The Grayzone publishes false or fabricated information" (as the summary states). I believe this was one of the examples: https://www.thedailybeast.com/in-nicaragua-torture-is-used-t... (Grayzone presenting the f…

The second article is ten years old and reads like a "he said/she said" and the payoff is pretty underwhelming.

The political position of the grayzone is anti-imperialist which is an insightful way to view the US and its actions in central and south america for the past few decades. I am having trouble following the Nicaragua article as it is heavy on details. I know that one of the grayzone reporters actually lives in Nicaragua so I value their reporting more than a journalist based somewhere else.

And huge thanks to Russia for funding some media critical of the US. Radio Sputnik has some great shows like By Any Means Necessary.

By Any Means Necessary: https://www.spreaker.com/show/1843722/episodes/feed

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by colordrops »

mc32 wrote: post #7

I'm sure YT is going to trot out some stock reason for not re-instating the videos. But this is pathetic. When YT goes on a bandwagon for some cause or other, this doesn't happen, but it appears to happen when the politics don't align with either their own politics or may offend one of their markets or their sponsors. So, I guess it's their platform and they can do what they want, but there is a danger that this will…

YT has been horrible for equal representation of politics, ideas, and stories for years now. This is not a new development.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by gre »

tablespoon wrote: post #171
gre wrote: post #142

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Daniel Dunbrill's channel has some good videos where he actually visits Xinjiang and interviews the supposed victims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57qyMAySYc

> Daniel Dunbrill This guy? https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3127611/chi... : > Dumbrill’s YouTube channel has 140,000 subscribers while his videos, commentaries and interviews – on topics such as the Hong Kong protests – have previously appeared on CGTN. His long track record of providing fodder for Chinese state media to throw at the West has earned him special privileges not accorded to veteran for…

The New York Times calling another publication out for disinformation. Ha.

Michael Parenti on the NYT: https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/123382834964408320...

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by commoner »

tablespoon wrote: post #171
gre wrote: post #142

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Daniel Dunbrill's channel has some good videos where he actually visits Xinjiang and interviews the supposed victims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57qyMAySYc

> Daniel Dunbrill This guy? https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3127611/chi... : > Dumbrill’s YouTube channel has 140,000 subscribers while his videos, commentaries and interviews – on topics such as the Hong Kong protests – have previously appeared on CGTN. His long track record of providing fodder for Chinese state media to throw at the West has earned him special privileges not accorded to veteran for…

Xinjiang is indeed highly locked down, and foreign reporters are not allowed to enter most parts of the region unless they are producing content that aligns with the Chinese government's message. Daniel Dumbrill is absolutely not a credible source.

Edit: Corrected from "the region" to "most parts of the region". From 2018:

> Transportation presents significant obstacles, too. Roughly the size of Alaska, Xinjiang encompasses vast swaths of desert and mountain terrain. Yet journalists are generally confined to a few urban areas, including Urumqi, the provincial capital, and Kashgar, a Uighur cultural hub tucked between the borders of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Those who attempt to drive into the countryside are almost sure to be turned around by officials for contrived reasons—that the area is not designated for foreigners, for example, or that a reporter lacks the authorization to pass. On one occasion, while driving on a deserted road, Chin found himself surrounded by police after a street camera flagged his car as suspicious. “Luckily we were already on our way out of town,” he says. “They were kind enough to give us a police escort to the highway.”

> The re-education camps, scattered throughout Xinjiang, are also off-limits. At best, journalists can hope to get close enough to photograph their exteriors, but even then, members of their surveillance detail are likely to step in and demand that the photos be deleted.

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/uighur-xinjiang.php

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by gre »

commoner wrote: post #185
tablespoon wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Daniel Dunbrill This guy? https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3127611/chi... : > Dumbrill’s YouTube channel has 140,000 subscribers while his videos, commentaries and interviews – on topics such as the Hong Kong protests – have previously appeared on CGTN. His long track record of providing fodder for Chinese state media to throw at the West has earned him special privileges not accorded to veteran for…

Xinjiang is indeed highly locked down, and foreign reporters are not allowed to enter most parts of the region unless they are producing content that aligns with the Chinese government's message. Daniel Dumbrill is absolutely not a credible source. Edit: Corrected from "the region" to "most parts of the region". From 2018: > Transportation presents significant obstacles, too. Roughly the size of Alaska, Xinjiang enco…

Point me to some sources not associated with Zenz. I would love to get to the bottom of this!

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by unishark »

justicezyx wrote: post #87
systemvoltage wrote: post #4

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I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. No proof, but to me it makes sense and it is so easy to do, we've seen it happen in the past (Cambridge Analytica), and if I were an adversary of the United States, I would be trivial to sow discord amongst the populace. We're currently witnessing some fractures in the US military leadership as well. I don't mean…

> I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. Haha I have evidences that US interference causes a lot of division inside China. Not a hunch at all. NED, one of the famous 3 letter group. Then you can imagine, China will do the same to US, eventually... But rest assured, China have not mastered the tactics yet.

What agenda is the US interference pursuing? Some agendas could be positive things for the country, like supporting pro-democracy movements.

Meanwhile, as for mastering tactics, all China has to do is similarly support activists and opposition groups financially by funneling them cash. It's quite likely they do so in all their rivals. There was a scandal decades ago with China giving campaign contributions to US politicians.

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Post by bamboozled »

Youtube is absolutely on fire lately.

This and banning information about proven lifesaving treatments for Covid19 such as Ivermectin [1] and suppressing information about unintended side effects of Covid19 vaccines is pretty freaking scary.

Actually makes me feel quite threatened and uneasy.

[1] https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by bamboozled »

nomoreplease wrote: post #169

Google is known for its activist employees. Will they stand up to fight this? Will they demand the leadership reverse this?

Likely, most of the activist employees have moved on, or been moved on by now.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by tablespoon »

commoner wrote: post #185
tablespoon wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Daniel Dunbrill This guy? https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3127611/chi... : > Dumbrill’s YouTube channel has 140,000 subscribers while his videos, commentaries and interviews – on topics such as the Hong Kong protests – have previously appeared on CGTN. His long track record of providing fodder for Chinese state media to throw at the West has earned him special privileges not accorded to veteran for…

Xinjiang is indeed highly locked down, and foreign reporters are not allowed to enter most parts of the region unless they are producing content that aligns with the Chinese government's message. Daniel Dumbrill is absolutely not a credible source. Edit: Corrected from "the region" to "most parts of the region". From 2018: > Transportation presents significant obstacles, too. Roughly the size of Alaska, Xinjiang enco…

> Xinjiang is indeed highly locked down, and foreign reporters are not allowed to enter the region unless they are producing content that aligns with the Chinese government's message.

I don't think it's locked down (for non-covid reasons), because I linked an account of the experiences of an NY Times journalist that went there. However, it's definitely true that reporters who aren't there to further the government's message are prevented from doing their jobs buy government minders and police.

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