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YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by tablespoon »

justicezyx wrote: post #66

I have issue with the laziness of the report regarding the Xinjiang genocide reporting. The whole article is centered on this statement: """ where UN experts and rights groups estimate over a million people have been detained in recent years. """ The UN experts and right groups are not named. But I assume it was Adrian Zenz who was throughly discredited in [1] and the so-called evidences are from satalie images analy…

Just to echo this dead comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27647592

> But I assume it was Adrian Zenz who was throughly discredited in [1]

Zenz isn't discredited, it's just the PRC propaganda apparatus is trying its hardest to smear him as part of their coverup.

Also thegrayzone.com is so unreliable that it was banned from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per....

> Grayzone has no connection with CCP.

But it's the kind of outlet that would echo it: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3127611/chi...:

> Blumenthal’s website [The Grayzone] has been accused of whitewashing the crimes of authoritarian countries, from Nicolas Maduro’s Venezuela to Bashar al-Assad’s Syria, while failing to highlight flaws in regimes that are staunchly opposed to US foreign policy.

> And TBH, I dont think Zenz should be treated as authority in the first place. This guy has not set foot on Xinjiang in his lifetime...

Why would that matter? All of our authorities on Ancient Rome never set foot in the Roman Empire.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by gre »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #101
justicezyx wrote: post #66

I have issue with the laziness of the report regarding the Xinjiang genocide reporting. The whole article is centered on this statement: """ where UN experts and rights groups estimate over a million people have been detained in recent years. """ The UN experts and right groups are not named. But I assume it was Adrian Zenz who was throughly discredited in [1] and the so-called evidences are from satalie images analy…

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/china-new-inter...

Daniel Dunbrill's channel has some good videos where he actually visits Xinjiang and interviews the supposed victims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57qyMAySYc

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by echelon »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #99
toomanyrichies wrote: post #80

Honest question- what is Google's exposure here? Both Youtube and Google (Youtube's parent company) are blocked in China; those revenue streams were cut off a long time ago. What does Google have to lose by letting Youtube keep the videos up? I'm sure the exposure exists; I recognize that Googlers aren't stupid. I honestly am just curious what that risk is. Having lived in Shanghai for 5 years, I don't see China reve…

Manufacturing capacity for Pixel phones?

Onshore it. The government should fund massive investment in factories, then through immigration, bring in lots of labor. Give incredible tax incentives to devices manufactured in full (no loopholes) in the US.

Increase the total population of the US.

Increase our domestic output.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by elefanten »

mc32 wrote: post #7

I'm sure YT is going to trot out some stock reason for not re-instating the videos. But this is pathetic. When YT goes on a bandwagon for some cause or other, this doesn't happen, but it appears to happen when the politics don't align with either their own politics or may offend one of their markets or their sponsors. So, I guess it's their platform and they can do what they want, but there is a danger that this will…

It’s so sad. Google used to be one you could look up to but it has moved so far in the wrong direction. Capitulating to China would be the final straw for me.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by wincy »

tiahura wrote: post #34
systemvoltage wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. No proof, but to me it makes sense and it is so easy to do, we've seen it happen in the past (Cambridge Analytica), and if I were an adversary of the United States, I would be trivial to sow discord amongst the populace. We're currently witnessing some fractures in the US military leadership as well. I don't mean…

Of course Russia and China are spreading it. If they’re not spreading disinformation in the US, then what in the world are their intelligence services doing to earn their paychecks? The US needs to IP blacklist Russia and China. If you do business in the US, you shouldn’t be able to connect to a network that is connected to Russia or China. Let the European and Asian backbone providers choose, do business with US bus…

It would be a real bummer to not be able to talk to my cousin in China for the high crime of teaching English in a foreign country.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by echelon »

busymom0 wrote: post #125
toomanyrichies wrote: post #80

Honest question- what is Google's exposure here? Both Youtube and Google (Youtube's parent company) are blocked in China; those revenue streams were cut off a long time ago. What does Google have to lose by letting Youtube keep the videos up? I'm sure the exposure exists; I recognize that Googlers aren't stupid. I honestly am just curious what that risk is. Having lived in Shanghai for 5 years, I don't see China reve…

I think it's the same way Hollywood does these things to please the CCP. John Cena being the latest example. Google might not be currently much active in China but continuing to do these "gestures" is basically trying to please the CCP for future. These are all moves being made for many years in advance. John Cena for example didn't just learn fluent mandarin to apologize to CCP over night. He had been learning it fo…

Except the CCP will favor domestic companies. When things are imported, you have to partner with a domestic Chinese firm.

They're imagining future revenue streams that won't exist. Furthermore, Chinese companies will reach parity and will compete back on the home turf.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by _-david-_ »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #31

We're back at the platform vs. publisher debate... I think this should be a either-or thing, that every webpage chooses. Then, you're either a platform, and can only remove directly illegal stuff (or when told by the courts to do so), or a publisher, decide what content you publish and what you remove, and then carry the full responsibility for that content. The current situation, where pages like youtube can act as…

I am in general agreement with you, but I think there should be a way for internet platforms to ban certain content. YouTube shouldn't be required to host porn (or anything too raunchy) just because it is a platform.

This would almost certainly lead to young kids seeing porn. I know YouTube has age restriction videos but a parent could easily be signed in to their account which allows NSFW material and the next thing you know a 5 year old would be watching porn.

As long as section 230 exists platforms could remove porn, but it sounds like you would be opposed to allowing YouTube (if they are a platform) from removing porn since it is legal?

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by gre »

tablespoon wrote: post #141
justicezyx wrote: post #66

I have issue with the laziness of the report regarding the Xinjiang genocide reporting. The whole article is centered on this statement: """ where UN experts and rights groups estimate over a million people have been detained in recent years. """ The UN experts and right groups are not named. But I assume it was Adrian Zenz who was throughly discredited in [1] and the so-called evidences are from satalie images analy…

Just to echo this dead comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27647592 > But I assume it was Adrian Zenz who was throughly discredited in [1] Zenz isn't discredited, it's just the PRC propaganda apparatus is trying its hardest to smear him as part of their coverup. Also thegrayzone.com is so unreliable that it was banned from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per... . > Grayzo…

Can you link some more sources about the gray zone? Being banned from Wikipedia just makes sense because they are a blog and not a primary source. I would like to see a writeup of what they get wrong because their podcast Moderate Rebels [1] is very informative and well-researched.

[1] https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by 2939223 »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #80

Honest question- what is Google's exposure here? Both Youtube and Google (Youtube's parent company) are blocked in China; those revenue streams were cut off a long time ago. What does Google have to lose by letting Youtube keep the videos up? I'm sure the exposure exists; I recognize that Googlers aren't stupid. I honestly am just curious what that risk is. Having lived in Shanghai for 5 years, I don't see China reve…

The same answer to Microsoft's blanket "Tank Man" ban. The uncomfortable reality that American tech companies have, to some degree, been compromised.

The next cold war is already under way, most just haven't realised (or are willing to accept) it yet.

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