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Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by roenxi »

adrr wrote: post #191
rendall wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. There isn't. There are lots of people saying they have evidence and referring to other people who say no its true they really have evidence. When you dig it's just circular self-references all the way down.

There’s a whole mueller report that was started and run by GOP. Person who started it was Rosenstein, a republican. Who picked Mueller another Republican. Why would they fake evidence against their own president?

Again, "Muller has the evidence!" is pointing at someone and making a claim that never seems to have been backed up.

It seems to be rather hard to actually cite this mountain of evidence without looking like a partisan hack.

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Post by lugged »

d3ntb3ev1l wrote: post #198
sb057 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote for politicians who will pass laws that dictate how they are to operate. Alternatively, if it is an avenue in your state, start a referendum to pass a state law calling for a Constitutional Convention (requires 34 states) to pass an amendment to deal with it.

We can’t even vote for politicians to fix potholes

This is why multi party systems work better than two party systems.

You can have a party dedicated to potholes if you have enough potholes, and you can have a party dedicated to agency oversight.

Both partys need to form coalitions to get any control, and need to compromise with each other or find win win situations for both parties.

The two party system has similar inside groups that sort of do this but it isnt pronounced, people still fall back to party lines when pushed (instead of their own views), and none are forced to compromise for their constituents. If they toe the party line theyre safe.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by dragonwriter »

roenxi wrote: post #209
jbuhbjlnjbn wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Vote for the party which is most critical on them. >Currently Republicans though it used to be the Democrats. This statement shows the absurdity of a two-party political system. Voting for either party will not change anything. You need to vote for particular politicians, and if that's not possible, then there is no way at all for reform or change.

If you always reliably vote for (Party X) then paradoxically you are less likely to get your concerns addressed because they mainly need swing voters to win elections. People who switch parties to vote for their pet issue probably have a disproportionate impact on the outcomes, because both parties gain an incentive to take a position on that issue.

> If you always reliably vote for (Party X) then paradoxically you are less likely to get your concerns addressed because they mainly need swing voters to win elections

Nope, they need to mobilize their voters and demobilize the opposition. The media narrative about the importance of swing voters is greatly exaggerated, but it justifies election year media drama like showcasing “undecided voter” panels at debates.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by ostenning »

Really interesting to see some of the criticisms of federal police and intelligence agencies here, to which I have to agree with. What I find interesting though is that the public approval rating of these organisations “seems” to have plummeted, I guess once upon a time they could get away with their lies and manipulation but not anymore?

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Post by boomboomsubban »

mywacaday wrote: post #140
Miner49er wrote: post #41

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Pretty much, he's been indicted for 17 counts of violating the Espionage Act, which yeah, is just for seeking/leaking confidential info. It's a huge attack on freedom of the press. The press has always been allowed to cover leaked stuff, the Espionage act has only been used against sources in the past, not reporters. He's also facing a very minor charge (max 5 years in prison) for conspiracy to commit computer intrus…

Are there any whistleblower protections in the US or why would they not apply to Assange?

Assange is not a whistleblower, it's not like he worked for the army. He's a journalist.

That said, whistleblower protection rarely covers confidential information anyway.

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Post by adrr »

the_optimist wrote: post #208
adrr wrote: post #206

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Mueller charged Russians for the hack.

Indicted. Famously prosecutors can indict ham sandwiches. Conviction is different. No such thing here.

He convicted everyone that they could actually arrest.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by jacobolus »

the_optimist wrote: post #204

What an absolute joke. FBI/CIA recruits a child molester to lie about Assange. https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/09/25/siggi_the... Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?”

I guess “I and most of my associates (including the ones who provided evidence against me) are pathological liars and criminals” is one kind of defense Assange can mount, but it doesn’t exactly build sympathy from at least this disinterested third-party reader.

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Post by ta2162 »

pstuart wrote: post #106
zionic wrote: post #38

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Highly misleading. The DNC’s mail servers got hacked and they got everything done The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. Not even in the same league.

> The “RNC hack” was one guy’s old laptop with a years out of date local outlook db. You have proof of that? This says otherwise. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-... I'm replying for the sake of challenging your statement but I know it's likely not possible to have an honest discussion about it because you appear to be taking a partisan stance. I have no love for either party, and even if…

That article literally agrees with the GP that the RNC was not hacked but the DNC was...

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

jacobolus wrote: post #217
the_optimist wrote: post #204

What an absolute joke. FBI/CIA recruits a child molester to lie about Assange. https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/09/25/siggi_the... Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?”

I guess “I and most of my associates (including the ones who provided evidence against me) are pathological liars and criminals” is one kind of defense Assange can mount, but it doesn’t exactly build sympathy from at least this disinterested third-party reader.

I believe it should give you pause to adjust your point of view of the history.

Not that it'll matter if you're truly disinterested, but you posted a reply, so I guess you're not.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

syshum wrote: post #194
DevKoala wrote: post #135

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

No, and it is only going to get worse Since the Inception of the FBI they have declared war on the citizenry, they have zero respect for the constitution, seeing it as a hurtle to their power. They have done this under many names "War on crime", "War on Drugs", "War on Terror", and now "War on Domestic Extremism" They are all covers for the same abuse of power. The only way to end it is a complete reversion of decade…

And they only ever pursue the small targets.

Their failure to actually prove that justice will catch up with the big fish at the top of the crime, drugs, and terror chains has resulted in the domestic extremism problem.

The FBI's continued incompetency laid bare. Possibly by design.

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