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YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by seppin »

justicezyx wrote: post #66

I have issue with the laziness of the report regarding the Xinjiang genocide reporting. The whole article is centered on this statement: """ where UN experts and rights groups estimate over a million people have been detained in recent years. """ The UN experts and right groups are not named. But I assume it was Adrian Zenz who was throughly discredited in [1] and the so-called evidences are from satalie images analy…

Adrian Zenz has not been "throughly discredited" as you say, quite the opposite. The ad hominem attacks from Chinese bots/trolls (apparently he's a Christian fundamentalist/extremist now) are a pretty good sign that he is reporting on exactly what they don't want reported on.

Also please don't link to thegrayzone if you want any further argument to be heard with an open mind. They have a terrible track record of defending authoritarians for political reasons.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #80

Honest question- what is Google's exposure here? Both Youtube and Google (Youtube's parent company) are blocked in China; those revenue streams were cut off a long time ago. What does Google have to lose by letting Youtube keep the videos up? I'm sure the exposure exists; I recognize that Googlers aren't stupid. I honestly am just curious what that risk is. Having lived in Shanghai for 5 years, I don't see China reve…

Want to bet that China has hired Google or their services beyond the ones we’ve been told about previously?

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

slipframe wrote: post #79
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public universities can kick you out for expressing your 1st amendment right based off of whatever bs reason they want to give just to expel you. Likewise also, teachers can fail you just because they don't like you or you hold certain views. Public universities are as fair about granting your constitutional rights as the US government. At that is, only when you beat them in court.

> Public universities can kick you out for expressing your 1st amendment right based off of whatever bs reason they want to give just to expel you. Yeah, and a company can fire you for being black if they give a bs excuse for it too. In both of these cases your rights are being violated and you can sue them for that. What's the alternative? I can't conceive of a system where it's impossible for your rights to be viol…

I'm coming from a perspective that the constitution of the united states is nothing but a farce unless you're rich enough to defend your rights in court.

What is the purpose of having "rights" if I have to pay to fight for them? It's not a right then if institutions can trample on them as such.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by Causality1 »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #71

>The group, credited by international organizations like Human Rights Watch for drawing attention to human rights violations in Xinjiang, has come under fire from Kazakh authorities since its founding in 2017. it seem like a legit group. do Youtube even talk to the group about their video so they have a chance to redo/review the videos? what's the rule here?

YouTube doesn't care. If society decided to start hating left-handed people YouTube wouldn't hesitate to remove left-handed content. If rape porn was legal and advertiser-friendly YouTube would put it on the front page. It's a perfect sociopath.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by justicezyx »

systemvoltage wrote: post #4
ipython wrote: post #2

And yet these platforms are actively disseminating Chinese propaganda about the issue: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/22/technology/xi...

I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. No proof, but to me it makes sense and it is so easy to do, we've seen it happen in the past (Cambridge Analytica), and if I were an adversary of the United States, I would be trivial to sow discord amongst the populace. We're currently witnessing some fractures in the US military leadership as well. I don't mean…

> I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China.

Haha

I have evidences that US interference causes a lot of division inside China. Not a hunch at all. NED, one of the famous 3 letter group.

Then you can imagine, China will do the same to US, eventually... But rest assured, China have not mastered the tactics yet.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by slipframe »

clarkmoody wrote: post #55

Imagine the dirt the tech giants have on all government officials on the planet. Imagine if the tech giants went on a human rights offensive against the state.

I hope they don't get into the habit of blackmailing politicians when the cause is just. For one, because Google's perception of justice may not always be right. For another, because once they get into that habit, once they have established the methods and procedures for doing it, could we really trust them to not abuse this tool simply for their own profit?

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #4
ipython wrote: post #2

And yet these platforms are actively disseminating Chinese propaganda about the issue: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/22/technology/xi...

I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. No proof, but to me it makes sense and it is so easy to do, we've seen it happen in the past (Cambridge Analytica), and if I were an adversary of the United States, I would be trivial to sow discord amongst the populace. We're currently witnessing some fractures in the US military leadership as well. I don't mean…

This is my unscientific hunch as well. It's easy for hordes of fake accounts to add gasoline to hot issues online and people fall for it. Get things trending that otherwise wouldn't. It's cheap as hell too compared to a military industrial complex.

It's interesting you're being downvoted along with the parent post about foreign propaganda.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

perihelions wrote: post #21

Remarkable that they're migrating to a decentralized video host: > "Fearing further blocking by YouTube, they decided to back up content to Odysee, a website built on a blockchain protocol called LBRY, designed to give creators more control. About 975 videos have been moved so far." I think this is them? I can't readily verify this (and also everything's written in Kazakh). https://odysee.com/@ATAJURT [late edit] Rel…

On one hand, I hate Google for the obvious bullshit they pull and not only get a pass on but are celebrated for typically.

On the other hand, they’re accelerating what we all know should happen. Decentralization, restoration of privacy, data freedom, and maybe subscription based moderation and filtering (although to be fair, I’m not sure how that last one doesn’t make a worse echo chamber than we have now over enough time).

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