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Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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For someone who has not followed Assange news for a long time, what is the general accusation of his crimes? Is it just that he published secret material that he received from other sources?

I think the extradition ruling[1] from the UK judge assigned to the case provides a pretty good overview. (In general, I'd suggest trying to find primary sources as much as you can, because there's a lot of misinformation flying about about the case) Below are some of the allegations not related to Thordarson:

> It is alleged that WikiLeaks solicited material by publishing a list of information it wished to obtain, its “Most Wanted Leaks”. In November 2009 this list included: “Bulk Databases” including “Intellipedia”, (a non-public CIA database) and classified “Military and Intelligence” documents. In December 2009, Mr. Assange and a WikiLeaks affilia te gave a presentation to the 26th Chaos Communication Congress in which WikiLea ks described itself as “the leading disclosure portal for classified, restricted or legally threatened publications.” In 2009 Mr. Assange spoke at the “Hack in the Box Security Conference” in Malaysia in which he made reference to a “capture the flag” hacking contest and noted that WikiLeaks had its own list of flags that it wanted captured.

> Between November 2009 and May 2010, Ms. Manning was in direct contact with Mr. Assange using a chatlog (the “Jabber communications”). On 8 March 2010, it is alleged that Mr. Assange agreed to assist Ms. Manning in cracking a password hash stored on a DoD computer. Mr. Assange indicated that he was "good" at "hash-cracking" and that he had rainbow tools (a tool used to crack Microsoft password hashes). Ms. Manning provided him with an alphanumeric string. This was identical to an encrypted password hash stored on the Systems Account Manager (SAMS) registry file of a SIPRNet computer, used by Ms. Manning, and associated with an account that was not assigned to any specific user. Mr. Assange later told her that he had no luck yet and asked for more “hints.” It is alleged that, had they succeeded in cracking the encrypted password hash, Ms. Manning might have been able to log on to computers connected to the classified SIPRNet network under a username that did not belong to her, making it more difficult for investigators to identify her as the source of the disclosures. It is specifically alleged that Mr.Assange entered into this agreement to assist Ms Manning’s ongoing efforts to steal classified material.

> On 31 December 2011, WikiLeaks tweeted “#antisec owning Law enforcement in 2012.” It included links to emails and databases confirming that Hammond and AntiSec had hacked two US state police associations. On 3 January 2012, WikiLeaks tweeted a link to information which LulzSec/AntiSec had hacked and published in 2011 headed,“Anonymous/Antisec/Luzsec releases in 2011.” In January 2012, Hammond told Sabu that “JA” had provided Hammond with a script to search the emails stolen from Intelligence Consulting Company, and that “JA” would provide the script to associates of Hammond as well. Hammond also introduced Sabu via Jabber to “JA.” In January and February 2012, Sabu used the chatlog Jabber to communicate with Mr.Assange. On 27 February 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing emails that Hammond and others hacked from the Intelligence Consulting Company. On 27 February 2012 Hammond told Sabu, “we started giving JA” materials that had been obtained from other hacks. On 28 February 2012 Hammond complained to Sabu that the incompetence of his fellow hackers was causing him to fail to meet estimates he had given to Mr. Assange about the amount of hacked information he expected to provide to WikiLeaks, stating, “can’t sit on all these targets dicking around when the booty is sitting there ... especially when we are asked to make it happen with WL. We repeated a 2TB number to JA. Now turns out it’s like maybe 100GB. Would have been 40-50GB if I didn’t go and get all the mail from [foreign cybersecurity company].” Hammond then asked for help with ongoing computer intrusion committe d by his associates against victims including a US law enforcement entity, a US political organisation, and a US cybersecurity company. In March 2012, Hammond was arrested.

> In June 2013, media outlets reported that Edward J. Snowden had leaked numerous documents taken from the National Security Agency and was in Hong Kong. It is alleged that, to encourage leakers and hackers to provide stolen materials to WikiLeaks, Mr.Assange and others at WikiLeaks openly displayed their attempts to assist Snowden to evade arrest.

[1] https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/USA-v-As...

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much, he's been indicted for 17 counts of violating the Espionage Act, which yeah, is just for seeking/leaking confidential info. It's a huge attack on freedom of the press. The press has always been allowed to cover leaked stuff, the Espionage act has only been used against sources in the past, not reporters. He's also facing a very minor charge (max 5 years in prison) for conspiracy to commit computer intrus…

While I widely agree, if we're fair there's a difference between a Journalist covering leaked stuff and literally releasing the full unredacted documents to the public. Otherwise I agree. His treatment comes down to nothing other than the fact the USA govt want to make it very, very clear that they are willing to totally destroy anyone's lives who dare publish the horrific things they're doing.

> if we're fair there's a difference between a Journalist covering leaked stuff and literally releasing the full unredacted documents to the public.

It was actually senior Guardian journalists who compromised the cables by publishing the password Assange had entrusted them with. That's what led to the unredacted copies being made available. Jonathan Cook has written about it here: https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2020-09-26/guardian-assan...

> The Guardian book let the cat out of the bag. Once it gave away Assange’s password, the Old Bailey hearings have heard, there was no going back.

> Any security service in the world could now unlock the file containing the cables. And as they homed in on where the file was hidden at the end of the summer, Assange was forced into a desperate damage limitation operation. In September 2011 he published the unredacted cables so that anyone named in them would have advance warning and could go into hiding – before any hostile security services came looking for them.

> Yes, Assange published the cables unredacted but he did so – was forced to do so – by the unforgivable actions of Leigh and the Guardian.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#143
post #137

Important to note that nothing Wikileaks has published has ever had to be retracted. They've told the truth to the public about governments, which is why they're targeted. In fact several Pulitzer Prizes have been awarded thanks to their efforts. They've never been shown to put anyone at risk either, a testament to their careful vetting process, showing that they're responsible too. This is clearly a political attack…

That's a fairly charitable take on WikiLeaks. They host the entirety of the Sony leak on their site that caused me and hundreds of my colleagues to face a increased lifetime risk of fraud and stolen identity.

Hacked by North Korea and made easy by poor security on Sony's part. It sucks when personal information is stolen and published, but that genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has the US tried to extra judicially murder Assange?

Yes: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/30/us-intelligenc...

I know HN loves Assange but comparing an unsubstantiated stamenent that US persons talked about extreme measures, vs actual poisoning is pretty weak.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#145

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

> Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates?

The SES is more equal than you, citizen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Executive_Service_(Unit...

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#146

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment. You don't get to air the dirty laundry of a country trying to keep a lid on chaos because they do something you don't like now and then. I want to know that the intelligence agencies, and the military that safe guard us, are able and willing to go to any length to preserve our way of living, even if it means they overstep. Not just one country, but all Five Eyes and then some. Because if they don't, there are actors all over the world who will take advantage of any "shame" and use it as a weapon until they subjugate you to their rule. Look at Russia and China for great examples of that. If you think the things these agencies do are so bad that they need to be voted against, you have no idea how bad things really are. So no, Assange's "only crime" wasn't "sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government." There's nothing to be ashamed about. He should be thankful he's still alive, and you should be thankful you can post this kind of a sentiment without having any repercussionary fear. Hope for your sake that it doesn't change.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#147
post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has the US tried to extra judicially murder Assange?

Do the US need to extra judicially murder Assange in order to make an example of him? I can imagine what would happen if Russia tried the same tactic as the US and used diplomatic channels in order to successfully influence the legal systems in countries like the UK and Sweden.

Are you proud of what Assange actually did in Sweden? Taking off a condom mid sex or lying about wearing one?

It's called stealthing and very much a terrible thing to do.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#148

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment. You don't get to air the dirty laundry of a country trying to keep a lid on chaos because they do something you don't like now and then. I want to know that the intelligence agencies, and the military that safe guard us, are able and willing to go to any length to preserve our way of living, even if it means they overstep. Not just one country, but all Five Eyes and th…

This is insane, “even if they overstep”? No one is above the law. What’s more American than democratic accountability? Telling American citizens to stop asking questions is appalling.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#149

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment. You don't get to air the dirty laundry of a country trying to keep a lid on chaos because they do something you don't like now and then. I want to know that the intelligence agencies, and the military that safe guard us, are able and willing to go to any length to preserve our way of living, even if it means they overstep. Not just one country, but all Five Eyes and th…

Reading this comment gave me anxiety.

Liberty is unchecked authority.

That's a take.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

#150

Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

This sounds like a very anti-American sentiment. You don't get to air the dirty laundry of a country trying to keep a lid on chaos because they do something you don't like now and then. I want to know that the intelligence agencies, and the military that safe guard us, are able and willing to go to any length to preserve our way of living, even if it means they overstep. Not just one country, but all Five Eyes and th…

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