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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by bkirkby »

werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

Can you share with us the most egregious example of a war crime committed by Israel that caused you to change your view?

Please be specific about the laws, actions, and outcomes that resulted in the crime.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by slibhb »

Animats wrote: post #33

A few years ago, criticism of Israel's policies started being called anti-antisemitism.[1] That made it OK to censor criticism of Israel. Israel's policies got more divisive under 12 years of Netanyahu, and there's more reason to be critical of them. Those two trends are in collision. [1] https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/criticism-of-israel-is-anti-...

> A few years ago, criticism of Israel's policies started being called anti-antisemitism

I'm not sure if that's new. And while it's certainly true that you can criticize Israel without being an antisemite, it's also true that a lot of people can't seem to thread that particular needle.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by tartoran »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #72
werber wrote: post #20

As an American Jew who grew up with a distorted and racist world view in regard to Palestine this just feels like history repeating itself. The troubles that face Israelis have always been amplified over those of Palestinians in my experience. That control of the narrative led me to be actively racist for most of my life while thinking I was not and also morally superior. This kind of censorship has a body count, and…

The sad part is that you can get called an anti-Semite (or self-hating Jew) for expressing any sort of solidarity with Palestinians. The sadder part is that actual anti-Semites then jump in and use that situation to further their agenda.

Yes, labels are prepared for any type of criticism. The sad part is that there is some genuine anti-semitism out there (same is true for racism) and lumping this acusation with any criticism will weaken a real cause (again, same is true for racism).

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by deadite »

>Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok, among others, have more control over our voices than we did.

What's the story here? These platforms and most social media/news outlets are either owned by Jews or have deep financially vested interests from Jewish VCs (yes, including TikTok). Of course you're going to be silenced on their platforms. Anyone getting in a kerfuffle that this is a topic point that can't be brought up isn't doing themselves any favors.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by [deleted] »

let_me_ask_this wrote: post #79
xupybd wrote: post #52

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It is hard to say Israel has less right to the land it took over than say New Zealand. The main difference is how long ago the settling happened.

In that case Israel should follow New Zealand's example and allow all Palestinians to become citizens, with full rights, stop being an ethnostate for Jews, stop with the racism and start behaving like the progressive country they pretend to be.

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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

2939223 wrote: post #84
let_me_ask_this wrote: post #79

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In that case Israel should follow New Zealand's example and allow all Palestinians to become citizens, with full rights, stop being an ethnostate for Jews, stop with the racism and start behaving like the progressive country they pretend to be.

Such behaviour conflicts with a core tenet of Judaism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people

No it doesn't.

> In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. selected to be in a covenant with God.

> This view, however, does not always preclude a belief that God has a relationship with other peoples—rather, Judaism held that God had entered into a covenant with all humankind, and that Jews and non-Jews alike have a relationship with God. Biblical references as well as rabbinic literature support this view: Moses refers to the "God of the spirits of all flesh",[4] and the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) also identifies prophets outside the community of Israel. Based on these statements, some rabbis theorized that, in the words of Nethanel ibn Fayyumi, a Yemenite Jewish theologian of the 12th century, "God permitted to every people something he forbade to others...[and] God sends a prophet to every people according to their own language."(Levine, 1907/1966)

> The Mishnah continues, and states that anyone who kills or saves a single human, not Jewish, life, has done the same (save or kill) to an entire world. The Tosefta, an important supplement to the Mishnah,[5] also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a).

Which part of this is about racial supremacy?

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by crooked-v »

tiku wrote: post #58
crooked-v wrote: post #27

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Peace is unlikely as long as settlers continue to claim Palestinean land and force them out of their own homes, considering what an obvious mockery this makes of any kind of negotiations even for those Palestineans who do actively want peace.

As my original comment was immediatly flagged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Jarrah_property_dispute There was a court case that ruled that they have to be evicted because of not paying rent. "In response, the owners of the property (a private Israeli NGO, Nahalat Shimon), claim they have the legal title to the property in question and that, in the absence of rent being paid by the tenants, the tenants ought t…

This specific case has little to do with most illegal settlements, which have no dispute over ownership and are generally acknowledged as illegal by the Israeli government (but are de facto tolerated and sometimes even actively protected by the army from angry Palestineans).

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by underdeserver »

dang wrote: post #35
mikevm wrote: post #30

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dang, why are such posts even allowed? It's posted by an anonymous user who's just created his account, and the content his highly one-sided and prone to create political flame wars.

Some posts with political overlap are on-topic for HN. Exactly how we handle that is a complex question, but also one that has been well-worked-out over the years. Here are some detailed explanations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... . The current pos…

If anyone ever thought your job was easy, well...

Thank you (again), dang. I really appreciate your work.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by bradleyjg »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #69
rayiner wrote: post #43

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As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…

It's almost like maybe you should care and speak out about Palestine and Bengladeshis in Qatar and Rohingya and Yemenis and Uighurs.

Are we allowed to anything else—-or just eat, sleep, and speak out about badness in the world?

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

aaronchall wrote: post #46
dang wrote: post #8

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Please don't take HN threads directly into nationalistic/religious/racial flamewar hell. That's exactly the opposite of what this site is for—regardless of how difficult the topic is. A topic being difficult just not justify setting it immediately on fire. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: please stop posting ideological/etc. flamewar comments to HN generally. You've done it repeatedly, and we ba…

He raises fair points on this highly controversial subject. If we're to give this matter a fair hearing, we need to put all the relevant facts on the table. Maybe there was a nicer way for him to put these facts, but that doesn't invalidate them.

Those aren't "fair points", they're garden-variety flamewar talking points that cross directly into slurs. This is not a hard call.
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